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Old 12-17-2008, 07:51 PM
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Smoke Grenades

Ok so I was looking at some Airsoft videos on Youtube and I saw the players using smoke grenades and so i got an idea. Why don't we have a scenario were we have soldiers who are in a war zone, have gas masks and the enemies have smoke grenades which could be differnent gases. Or if we do some scenario were people are rioting the smoke grenades could be used as tear gas, so people should have a gas mask or bandana or something.
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Old 12-17-2008, 08:06 PM
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I think they're looking for suggestions that are more complete in this section.
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Old 12-17-2008, 08:14 PM
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Why not to use gasmasks in airsoft.

They restrict breathing.
They can cause heat ailments.
They can cause suffocation.
Many do not provide adequate eye protection.
Improperly installed filters can cause suffocation
Improper fitting of the mask can cause suffocation.
Fogging
That smelly "New Gasmask" smell
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Old 12-17-2008, 08:16 PM
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Try wearing a Gas Mask for an extended period of time. 50% of the people wouldnt be able to handle it and would pass out.

Also, for the price of smoke grenades vs the duration of a grenade its not cost effective to have a scenario based on smoke.

I just dont see keeping people entertained long enough for this to work. Remember your youtube videos are a couple minutes, not a couple hours like a MilSim event.
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Old 12-17-2008, 08:18 PM
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Well...Good point I never thought about for a few hours. Hmm. They would have to wear it for the whole event they could just were it for a few minutes. And yes I know it should be more complete but i could think of where to put this thread so i just put it here.
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Old 12-17-2008, 08:50 PM
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just a suggestion with this since i see a possible way that something like this could work. You couldn't do it with gas masks, but everyone has seen those paper painting masks that they have a hardware stores like this : http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...ctId=100565510 I mean, if you wanted to you could use those as a way to represent a gas mask, just my input.
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:01 PM
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I have a similar question, are we even allowed to use smoke grenades in Ohio?, or any type of pyro?
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:12 PM
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some places allow cold smokes, which have no external flame. but you can only use them outside when it is not dry. no pyro's are allowed anywhere from my understanding.
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:12 PM
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I have a similar question, are we even allowed to use smoke grenades in Ohio?, or any type of pyro?
Red Dragon, Valley Creek, and I believe Springfield, all allow the use of cold burning smoke.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:46 PM
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Red Dragon, Valley Creek, and I believe Springfield, all allow the use of cold burning smoke.
Conquest allows smokes for certain events also.
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:41 PM
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Conquest allows smokes for certain events also.
As evidenced by the AAT's semi-successful "smoke the breezeway" assault at HM2.
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:09 PM
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Red Dragon, Valley Creek, and I believe Springfield, all allow the use of cold burning smoke.

You are correct Locutus, Springfield DOES allow COLD smoke, however a word of caution for those who have never used cold smoke....cold smoke can STILL burn you if you don't properly use it.....in other words read the directions please....
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Heh Fat Tony I was pretty scared when those smoke grenades were deployed, then I remembered we had 2 saws pointed in that direction and...well..you know the rest of the story.

On a related note, smoke grenades could simulate poison gas where the people in the vicinity of the gas attack would be restricted to semi-auto only. They would have to be a specific color however.
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Old 12-18-2008, 03:03 PM
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Why would poison gas cause you to be restricted to semi-auto only?
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Why would poison gas cause you to be restricted to semi-auto only?
thats what i was thinking. if you were going with different color smokes then you could have one be deadly, and one disable you for 5 mins (basically same as a bleed out only oyu don't hike it back to respawn)
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Old 12-18-2008, 03:36 PM
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Another problem with colored smoke is that some colors actually have real uses, such as signal smoke.

I would hate to have someone use the wrong colored smoke on accident and next thing you know every emergency crew in a 5 county area being alerted..
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Well its just an idea, It could be to hinder someone but not take them out of the game entirely.
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Another problem with colored smoke is that some colors actually have real uses, such as signal smoke.

I would hate to have someone use the wrong colored smoke on accident and next thing you know every emergency crew in a 5 county area being alerted..

Ehh... I dont think thats likely.... With most fields we are deep in the woods where nobody can see us!


I like the posion gas idea. Keep improving and discussing and hopefully an event host will pick up your ideas!
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You would be surprised, and it's just like why shooting glasses aren't allowed.

Just because the likely hood of it happening is low, doesn't mean it can't happen.
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Easy fix, let your area emergency and LE dept know you got a game going on, what they may hear about or see and if there happens to be any actual problems you will contact them personally.
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You would be surprised, and it's just like why shooting glasses aren't allowed.

Just because the likely hood of it happening is low, doesn't mean it can't happen.
me too i would rather be safe then sory
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Maybe use smoke for what it is used for? I have not really seen people use smoke all that much for its cover purpose. I mean sure maybe 2 times a year. But just a thought. It works well to allow you to "advance in a different direction" or flank an enemy or advance on a point. Just a thought. The smoke kill system might also be had to do and would require probably more officials on the field. So if that is an option you are looking to do would probably say look to use it on a field that has plenty of officials to help with the "effects" of the "gas/smoke"
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Maybe use smoke for what it is used for? I have not really seen people use smoke all that much for its cover purpose.

Yeah, that is it's intentional use, but you have to consider weather conditions. With my experiences, outdoor conditions are aweful for smoke due to wind and how rapidly smoke expands in the atmosphere. You either go cheap and get "30 second smokes" or you go the full length and drop big bucks on the real deal.


I believe the "poison gas" idea will be great for Airsoft Ohio. It would be great to add more variables into the game (as we know it). For example, it would force players in squads to keep their distances from each other and not cluster.


If the poison gas idea goes well, players would then see the advantages of smokes and use them for tactical purposes during "non-posion gas games" (just as you were saying MinioN). I think the idea would expose Airsoft Ohio to new ideas that'll enhance airsoft gameplay and make it more attractive to "noobs" and veterans overall.
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One idea for colored smoke adding an enhancement to the game is, if you are in it for too long, you have to respawn. You can still fire your weapon, still move, run, and manuever, just once that time is up, respawn time. Yes, it would require more refs to judge/make sure everyone abides by the rules, but I think it could be pulled off.
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Ehh... I dont think thats likely.... With most fields we are deep in the woods where nobody can see us!


I like the posion gas idea. Keep improving and discussing and hopefully an event host will pick up your ideas!
In some situations colored smoke is illegal to use from non-emergency purposes. Just look into your local laws. Fox is correct though, be careful using colored smoke.
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