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Shadok, when you say you admin a forum and don't have any problems, please understand that the job becomes a little more difficult when you have 30x more members and 45x more posts.
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Ok...That is the most rational thing I have heard. My forum is a "punk forum" that is what my host labeled us, it is offputting for getting new members actually, anyway I really did not take into account the linear subject that this forum is about and then my forums subject.

My forum is about questioning whether something is right or wrong, nothing is definitive in the human mind after all.

This forum is about airsoft which is definitive, and really for me to to put in my 2-cents about it is about as right as you lecturing me on 3DCG Engineering.

Sorry military, sports are not my environment. When I was in high school I joined the track team and got kicked out because me and the coach got into it.

As I said after this thread im going to keep to myself about policy, I am just tired of making threads that I SEARCHED for that are SIMLIAR but different and having them get locked saying they are the same, its happened a few times and two of those times there was not a thread, (One time, I was just a noob).


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When you join the Marines, the rangers, the NAVY or what ever military groups, you are a newbie. while all instructors and seniors have been newbie before, they also know that discipline, leadership and control is what EVERY new recruit needs. AO is the same way
And I am serious about it. You let slip one? expect more to slip on....
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Old 11-14-2008, 04:25 PM
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Some of the best forums I've been a member of have thrived on the "probation" feature.
If someone asks something stupid, they can't post for x# of days. They do something stupid again, it's a longer probation, eventually they get banned.
Locking threads unfortunately doesn't teach people anything (save for a few who might actually understand that they posted something in error), and bans are relatively useless.
In an ideal world (which probation helps with), people actually learn from a mild punishment. Chastising people for being idiots quite frankly doesn't always work.
Probate someone a few times, they'll probably stick around and eventually turn into a more mature poster which is in general, the way you build a steady, intelligent poster-base.

It would help of course if VBulletin has a feature that will let you move a user into a group with read-only privileges that can be set for a certain time (I have no idea if this feature exists for VBulletin), otherwise it's far too much work for moderators/admins.

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You will not find irrelevant banter that is older then a year in my forum.
There's a very large difference between a sport that thrives on the swapping and information, and a forum based around a scene.

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Old 11-14-2008, 04:33 PM
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Locust, Did I not tell you I ran my forum for 7 years? If you dont delete your inactive members, then you run things different then me. To me its foolish to keep more people active then inactive. If you want I will put up our backup files of how our forum was before we cleaned it. I will call my maintainer and have him send over the files JUST to prove that im not full of ****. And I say this all respectfully. You will not find irrelevant banter that is older then a year in my forum.

Even with my old forum stats being revived, we do not touch your numbers, that is true. But I have had situations that I daresay are similar to your current and past problems and always overcome.

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Im sorry my forums mindset and this forums mindset are completely different. I thought I posted this, and I didnt and I am lazy so im just going to give a outline. LMAO Im sorry I DID post this XD

#1 I was wrong and im sorry.

#2 This forum is about something definitive, my forum is about the human mind and society both things that are undefinitive. Therfore to compare the two was wrong.

#3 I would not have even given my opinion in the first place except for the fact I was looking to get my name seen and my post count up so at the times I DO give my opinion somone would listen.

#4 I have decided something, I am going to try something out. I am not going to create a thread anymore, I will only reply. Now for everytime I get overshadowed or disregarded I am going to keep a check

Now while you say "Noob" you are not meaning new to airsoft, you mean new to the site and I think you are getting the two confused. But my theory is simple: Respect comes from the post count, whilst it should come from Date and content of posts.

My solution as far as a webmasters opinion goes:

-Hide Post count
-Make a table in your forums header about the rules and search function. (it will still look neat and clean, if you do this I will give you the codes its basic CSS for really nice looking tables)
-Have a template code for ask a vet. and one of the question values could be a dropdown box that says did you search for this or not. Then if they did not and say they did...There is no reason not to ban them.

Ok now. I have said I was sorry, and I do not make the same mistake twice. Which means I said I was wrong and if people choose to bring this up in another thread or PM I will ignore you and probley want to hunt you down at the next event and pretend I could win in a firefight. And Striker, you really opened my eyes to that great post man.



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When you join the Marines, the rangers, the NAVY or what ever military groups, you are a newbie. while all instructors and seniors have been newbie before, they also know that discipline, leadership and control is what EVERY new recruit needs. AO is the same way
And I am serious about it. You let slip one? expect more to slip on....

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I disagree with you debs. I think if you have a question that is not on here that you should ask it on here and no goto external sources because then it IS on here and that is what the forum is about *I hope* Is helping each other out.




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In the almost two years I have been a member of this forum, 98% of the time, I have been able to either find an answer to my question through using the search function or google.

As a distributor, I also get asked the same question. " What is the best gun?"

This is why you should buy from your local airsoft store. They can help you decide which gun suits your needs. They can tell you how to maintain your airsoft gun. They can tell you which bb's are best for your gun. Etc.

When I have a customer that is interested in getting into the sport of airsoft, I tell them about Airsoft Ohio. However, I also tell them to use the search button and don't ask a question that has already been asked 100 times. I also tell them before posting a dumb question, to e-mail me instead.

I have to agree with the Veterans of this post. I have seen more silly questions than I have ever seen before. All of us are guilty at some point in the beginning of asking a stupid question. However, with all the airsoft publications that are out, not to mention all the info on the internet, there is not much need for this anymore.

Now, that I plan on attending airsoft events, I am reading a book called Endurance Techniques. To me, it is a never ending learning process. Sadly, due to being sick, I had to miss the last event. However, the few questions I had that I e-mailed to the Vets or sent a PM too were very helpful and made the first event my teamates went to a very fun experience for them.

If you treat them with respect I have found them to be very helpful. So, the point I am making is read, read, read. Then, if you absolutely cannot find an answer to your question, then ask it.

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I'm no expert to internet forum moderating, so this could just be a left field idea; however, would it be possible that you must submit your thread before it is posted onto the forum. So, in example, Joe posts another useless thread, yet submits it to the moderators who, scan over it, see it is a useless contribution or a previosly stated question, and then do not allow it to become a thread. This could cut down on ridiculous posting, and moderators could PM the abuser to use the search and give a warning.
If the problem continues, then the person gets either banned or put on probation. To help, there could be a list of 1 time and 2 time offenders, and after 2 times, banned...
It's just a thought, and I am unsure if it is even doable, yet I feel as though this may help decrease forum clutter and angry responses from everyone
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Old 11-14-2008, 06:49 PM
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Dcorr, yes, that is easily doable. However, the moderation load that would cause doesn't really make it feasible.
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Locust, Did I not tell you I ran my forum for 7 years? If you dont delete your inactive members, then you run things different then me. To me its foolish to keep more people active then inactive. If you want I will put up our backup files of how our forum was before we cleaned it. I will call my maintainer and have him send over the files JUST to prove that im not full of ****. And I say this all respectfully. You will not find irrelevant banter that is older then a year in my forum.

Even with my old forum stats being revived, we do not touch your numbers, that is true. But I have had situations that I daresay are similar to your current and past problems and always overcome.

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Im sorry my forums mindset and this forums mindset are completely different. I thought I posted this, and I didnt and I am lazy so im just going to give a outline. LMAO Im sorry I DID post this XD

#1 I was wrong and im sorry.

#2 This forum is about something definitive, my forum is about the human mind and society both things that are undefinitive. Therfore to compare the two was wrong.

#3 I would not have even given my opinion in the first place except for the fact I was looking to get my name seen and my post count up so at the times I DO give my opinion somone would listen.

#4 I have decided something, I am going to try something out. I am not going to create a thread anymore, I will only reply. Now for everytime I get overshadowed or disregarded I am going to keep a check

Now while you say "Noob" you are not meaning new to airsoft, you mean new to the site and I think you are getting the two confused. But my theory is simple: Respect comes from the post count, whilst it should come from Date and content of posts.

My solution as far as a webmasters opinion goes:

-Hide Post count
-Make a table in your forums header about the rules and search function. (it will still look neat and clean, if you do this I will give you the codes its basic CSS for really nice looking tables)
-Have a template code for ask a vet. and one of the question values could be a dropdown box that says did you search for this or not. Then if they did not and say they did...There is no reason not to ban them.

Ok now. I have said I was sorry, and I do not make the same mistake twice. Which means I said I was wrong and if people choose to bring this up in another thread or PM I will ignore you and probley want to hunt you down at the next event and pretend I could win in a firefight. And Striker, you really opened my eyes to that great post man.






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I disagree with you debs. I think if you have a question that is not on here that you should ask it on here and no goto external sources because then it IS on here and that is what the forum is about *I hope* Is helping each other out.
You run a forum and act like this? Sorry man, the way you post, i'd call you a newbie to forum edicate.

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This thread is a miniature example of what AO is right now. We've got a smartass picture link, a ton of new members adding nothing to the conversation and always that one flamer who thinks they know better than the guys who have been running this site for years and years.

Honestly, I've got my answer. Action, its all about action. Any thread with misinformation/repost/non-specific questions (I.E. Which brand of bb?) i'm going to post what you've done wrong and request deletion/locky locky. Maybe eventually the new guys will start picking up what alot of people are laying down. Surely after a few posts they'll feel embarrassed enough to search all possibilities before creating a thread.

I still stand behind a mandatory function to require users to search before posting until "X" number of posts has been met.
I also believe that Blade has hit it on the head. If something is created worthy of filing, it is put into a forum category editable only by forum admins/moderators

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While I am a new member to this forum, I personally do not post unless it is absolutely necessary and after reading the posts in this thread, as well as the influx of new posts, I am most likely the exception to the rule. There is a wealth of information available in this forum, as well as others and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that most Airsoft forums prefer you at least make an attempt to search for your information before posting a new thread. You see references from the veterans and Moderators all the time, asking the member to search and sometimes providing links to articles that relate to the thread. It is not a difficult task and my low post count may be a good indicator of the benefits of research, something I performed for months before joining the forums. I must admit that in the last few months as a newcomer, I myself have become somewhat frustrated with some new threads and fully understand what those of you, who have helped the forum grow over the years, are feeling with regards to what I would refer to as lazy posts.

Also, as an owner and administrator of what is currently the largest forum on the web for another hobby, believe me, I understand how difficult the membership can be at times. Any forum worth its weight will have problems. We do have very strict guidelines on our forum that must be followed at all times and these rules have been challenged more than once. Our Pulled Posts private section, which is only available to the Moderators and Admins, has grown much more than I would have liked to have seen over the years, as dealing with the instigators can be a real handful at times.

The idea of opening a search window when starting a new thread is a good one, albeit it may me difficult and require some additional programming within the forum software. Still, it would get the point across and more readily train the members to use the search function. An additional feature would be to incorporate their thread title in the search bar when they begin, but this may be difficult as you would have to customize the search function.

Something that has helped our forum is that we use a feature of the software to issue “warnings” or “infractions” of the rules and it has been very useful with handling problem users. Too many infractions in a specified amount of time will get you banned and these would include blatant disregard for the forum guidelines, as well as attacks on other members and the forum Staff. It has worked well so far and we have seen a considerable drop in problem users. If this is something that could be applied here, it may be a benefit to the forum and could alleviate some of the problems. Users that generate a thread which could have easily been answered through simple research could receive a friendly warning, reiterating the forum rules to perform a search before posting. Another suggestion would be to pin a statement in bold at the top of each section to Search before posting a thread or it could be pulled. It won’t work for everyone, but it may get the general concept out and a brief statement of the forum rules incorporating the requirement to search could be included when they receive a warning.

One solution that was presented I do not care to see implemented though is a probation period before posting. While it would eliminate the repetitive questions of those members that consistently abuse the system, it would also prevent those users from posting that have done their research and are looking for an answer to a serious question. Moreover, it would prevent those of us new users that may have a great deal of knowledge in a specific field from replying with an answer to the thread. This would defeat the purpose of any forum, which should be to share our knowledge and experiences, as well as the enjoyment we have had with a specific hobby.

I am sure we can all agree that there are many new threads that could easily have been researched. How we respond to these queries though can make a difference in the user’s desire to search next time or post in the same manner, with disregard to any previous notes. It could also make a difference in the amount of negative response you receive, whether it be through a post or private messages and such responses would only fuel your frustrations. Stating something like “ Did you bother using the search function?” will come off much more negative than something like “ You may want to try the search function, as there has been some very good information posted on that subject.” Seeing the same threads day after day can become frustrating. However, it would be more beneficial to all involved if the response is more positive and it could subdue negative reactions from the user. Believe me when I say that speaking though experience as a forum Admin, the level of frustration can be overwhelming to the point where a kind response takes real courage. However, a positive attitude can go a long way with developing a new user into a productive and respected veteran.

For those looking for background, my forum is www.rocketryforum.com and it was established in 2003. I also host the server and it sits in my line of servers about six feet away from me. As you can see, I have no problem with giving you the link.

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Dcorr, yes, that is easily doable. However, the moderation load that would cause doesn't really make it feasible.
I kind of figured that would be the case. It would cause an extreme influx of work on the moderators part.

Just curious to this, would it be possible to make it so the thread has to be screened by a function similiar to the search button, and if it contains enough similarities in wording and questioning, the thread automaticly gets deleted, but if not, then it goes to screening

again, I am definitely no technology genius but this would cut the useless crap while keeping the moderators work level down. That is if thats even possible
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However, it would be more beneficial to all involved if the response is more positive and it could subdue negative reactions from the user. Believe me when I say that speaking though experience as a forum Admin, the level of frustration can be overwhelming to the point where a kind response takes real courage. However, a positive attitude can go a long way with developing a new user into a productive and respected veteran.
Couldn't agree more. When enforcing the rule we should do so with respect. If the rule enforced is met with respect the memember will be able to continue to use this site without any infraction. If the user reacts to the enforcement of the rule with disrespect to the AO mod enforcing it, that user will skip "go" and head straight to "Banville".

There are plenty of new players here that will stick around, grow, and become long standing mambers of the airsoft community. Then there are those players that by a cheap gun, sign up for an account here, create a headache for us, and disappear after a few months. These are the players we will weed out. They come and go, and have no respect for the hard work that has built this community. If they bare with the rules and restrictions we place on them at first they will come to understand how serious we take our sport/hobby and will eventually become valuable longterm members.

To sum it up, if your thread is locked, closed, or deleted, don't take it personally. Re-think what you have posted and try to approach it given more thought. Be specific, thorough, and try your best to use correct puntuation and grammar. These things are important in communicating your message. We cannot answer your questions if we cannot understand you. Be respectful! If you react the wrong way and find yourself banned, you will only have yourself to blame.
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I kind of figured that would be the case. It would cause an extreme influx of work on the moderators part.

Just curious to this, would it be possible to make it so the thread has to be screened by a function similiar to the search button, and if it contains enough similarities in wording and questioning, the thread automaticly gets deleted, but if not, then it goes to screening

again, I am definitely no technology genius but this would cut the useless crap while keeping the moderators work level down. That is if thats even possible
You are missing the point. When you are putting out a fire do you spray everywhere except the source? No. No code automatic deletion code would have to be generated if the Source "Idiot members" was targeted.
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Ahh, I see now...Thanks for the explanation
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Having been a moderator in a community based ,dialup, bulletin board in the earyl 90's, I can tell you that things haven't changed much. People want to be spoon fed rather than look something up.
I agree there should be a minimum nubeer of posts before you have unlimted posting powers, however I'm on a board where after 50 posts, you get a t-shirt. You wouldn't believe how many " I agree with that" replies there are.. And this is by adults.
True a lot of posting is done by younger members. They may not have, as yet, developed good social interaction skills. So youngsters, you are sometimes dealing with adults here, albeit young adults. Nevertheless, learn how to get along with them and clean up your act. Remember these may be the people who may give you a job down the road. Are they going to be impressed with "leet speak" I think not.
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In regards to the useless posts (yes men, leet speak, etc...) inside threads, could we employ a community vote button? This button would be open to members to press, thus "flagging" the post. This flag would not be threatening to the poster like the "report" button. It would not hurt their reputation in anyway. No comment could be made about it by the voter. It simply points out that the post does not add valuable information to the discussion. If enough votes are cast, the post is then sent up for review by the moderators. If the moderator(s) feel this doesn't add to the discussion, they may then delete it. The poster would be notified of the deletion and given the chance to appeal it if a viable reason is produced within “x” number of days. The voters would remain anonymous except to the mods, and the only trace of the post after deletion would be in a hard to find archived version of the thread. The same could be used for this central information thread. If a post has valuable, credible, original information, it can be voted upon by members. I like the idea of sharing the work load of the moderators with the community. This would be rough to start as previous posts would have to be read through (I’m not opposed to this. It’s my primary way of gathering airsoft knowledge.), but we could eventually get around to making these votes as we read the new posts. If information in a certain thread needs indexing, the moderators could post an announcement asking members to read through and vote. Food for thought. Open to criticisms.

Fair Enough. I was not around to see it, but I'll take Blades word for it.

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I know that when I get on my instant reaction is to go to the "new post" link to see what the latest news is or the new sales are (classifieds). This is probably what many other new members do as well and they see new threads like "what gun is the best". Their instant reaction is to post and give advice even if it is useless, off topic, or completely untrue. In this sense I feel that everyone wants to think they are an "expert" at Airsoft and know everything. The problem isn't just the threads it is the actual posts that new members are putting up.
People also want the feeling that they are getting expert advice from a personal friend. They get this feeling when they have a veteran player post in their thread and give "personal" advice.

This may be untrue but it is what I feel could be a possibility for the new threads.
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Alright lets turn this around a little bit. This thread is about how AO is currently broken. But, lets turn this around a bit, basically I am asking you, the community for ideas on how we can change AO for the better, or as mods - what you want to see. So post your ideas, however PLEASE read these rules for it.

1. Your ideas must follow the KISS standard. (Kiss = Keep It Simple Stupid) The easier they are to understand, the better. When dealing with thousands of people and hundreds of thousands of posts, a lot of things can be taken in different directions.

2. Make sure your idea is sound before you present it. If it sounds good in your head, check. Make sure it sounds good after you write it down. If it doesn't - then scratch it. As well, present your idea in a clear fashion, in the simplest of terms you can. If it takes you 4 hours to type up your idea, no offense - I'm not going to read it. Walls of text get confusing and complicated. Ideas must be kept as simple as possible.

3. No useless ideas, I will give you an infraction, end of story. (Useless would be in termed of troll ideas. Such as 'Just ban everyone.') Keep it serious, please.

4. Please don't reply to other people's ideas, or copy someone's that has already posted. So as much as you want to, don't quote someone and say 'zomg thats the worst idea everz mine is so much better.' It will end badly for you. As well, restrain yourself. If someone post's the most kickass idea ever, you don't need to quote it and demand the mod team uses it. If it's a good idea, the chances are one of us will see it.

5. Don't be hurt if we don't use your idea. AO is a decently old website, a lot of mod ideas have been tried throughout it's history. As well, a lot of things that work for smaller community sites won't work for AO. Once again, when dealing with the number of posts, the number of members and what AO is intended as, some things just won't work from place to place.


I'm interested in ideas to make my life easier.
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1) Require users search prior to being able to create a thread. This restriction is lifted automatically after "x" posts.

2) Strict enforcement against "Lack of content/Useless/Repeat" threads. "X" violations results in suspension of account. "Y" violations results in ban.

3) "Vote to Delete" option given to members who have "X". X can be whatever moderators/admins feel qualifies a member to use the option. Post is automatically deleted after "y" number of votes has been reached.

Option number 3 is to "clean up" anything options 1 & 2 missed.

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1) Require users search prior to being able to create a thread. This restriction is lifted automatically after "x" posts.

2) Strict enforcement against "Lack of content/Useless/Repeat" threads. "X" violations results in suspension of account. "Y" violations results in ban.

3) "Vote to Delete" option given to members who have "X". X can be whatever moderators/admins feel qualifies a member to use the option. Post is automatically deleted after "y" number of votes has been reached.

Option number 3 is to "clean up" anything options 1 & 2 missed.
Being that I'm a moderator, I'm going to post comments about these to spur some further discussion.

1) The search thing will never work. There will be ways around the system. Putting a gun to people's head and making them use their turn signals isn't going to work either (an analogy to what this is about). The solution to this problem is to make them want to use the search feature. How we do this is anyone's guess.

2) This is definitely feasible, and I'm currently in the process of doing just such a thing.

3) Already in place - If a thread/post receives a certain number of neg-reps, it is deleted automatically.
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1) The search thing will never work. There will be ways around the system. Putting a gun to people's head and making them use their turn signals isn't going to work either (an analogy to what this is about). The solution to this problem is to make them want to use the search feature. How we do this is anyone's guess.
Actually, I'm not exactly sure what Mav had in mind about the Search mandate, but I have a similar idea: When a noob posts a new thread, he should at least be required to start his post with something like:

Title:
Upgrading a TM M4

Subject:
"I've used the search function about this topic and found these [0, 1, 2, 3, whatever #] threads on the subject:

http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/foo/bar/blahblah1...
http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/foo/bar/blahblah2...
http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/foo/bar/blahblah3...

but in none of them could I find the answer to my specific question. So here is my specific question: [blah blah blah]...

..."

Here's the process:

1) If noob's thread doesn't comply with this format (because it's their first post, brand new to AO, etc.) then a Mod deletes it immediately and point them to the rules via PM. Ask them to try their thread again with above format.
2) If the thread meets this format, then let it stand. Replies can procede as normal. If a Vet replying to the post does a search and finds another thread that said noob didn't find in his search that answers his question completely, then reprimand the thread creator (and/or neg rep) for not searching effectively enough and give him a little search help for next time.
3) After enough (2?) infractions/thread deletions, ban any noob from AO who refuses to comply with this format mandate.
4) Require the noobs to do this until they have enough posts and/or demonstrated enough positive rep to not require it.

I honestly think something like this would work. By doing this, said noob has proven that he has at least attempted a search first.

And Loki, on a side note, I truly believe that certain vets have posted valid suggestions for fixes to AO functionality that have not been tried or implemented. What good is offering valid suggestions, if none of them ever get tried out? This is not intended to be overly critical, or directed toward you or anyone in particular. Just an observation I have made about threads I have read over the past year and a half about site suggestions.

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3) Already in place - If a thread/post receives a certain number of neg-reps, it is deleted automatically.

While I agree with this being in place, I find it terribly unlikely that any post will ever receieve that many neg-reps, because of the people who have the ability to use the rep system, some of them are afraid to use it as they fear having that ability taken away. By no means am I saying that we should go back to everyone having rep system, that was a huge CF and comments usually ended up saying "yes" or "lol, ur so rite" and furthermore being a big pain in the *** for the mod staff. So maybe you need to talk with all the people with this power and give them a run down on how many negreps it would take to remove a post and how often they should be using them or put a few more people into the rep system, so that the bad posts will actually get deleted through the rep system.
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We talk about people being forced to use the search engine before they are allowed to post, but what about the chance that they actually have an original question...?
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We talk about people being forced to use the search engine before they are allowed to post, but what about the chance that they actually have an original question...?
Normally I wouldn't post whore again this soon , but my reply to this is:

1) How does a noob actually know that they have an original question in relation to the rest of the AO community, when they haven't done a search on the AO forum to first prove it to themselves? Even vets may wrongly assume the subject hasn't been discussed before without first doing a search.
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2) How can they actually prove it to the AO community that they have attempted a search on the subject before seeking help from the AO community?

My thread formatting rule above would take care of both issues. If they search and encounter 0 results, then they probably have an original question or at least something not specifically documented on AO. A Vet can still call them on it by doing a follow up search, and then in that case maybe the noob will learn something about the Search function in the process. Either way I think you would see a wholesale reduction in needless or duplicate threads on AO.

The bottom line is, before posting his thread the noob should be at least a little worried that:
a) he'd better try to show he did his due diligence in searching first to appease the AO community, and
b) fear of embarrassment if someone else easily searches and finds a thread that quickly answers his question.

Of course I'm skeptical that this idea will ever get tried out, because I've become cynical the most good ideas never do. Someone *always* seems to have some excuse as to why it won't work, not a good idea, asking too much, etc. Which then effectively kills said 'good idea'. And then people will continue to complain.

Someone please prove me wrong.

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Well the way that the AO search engine is run, they may encounter results that has one or more of their search words in it, but it may not always be pertinent. Like this, for example-

Say you search "Dboys Scar Review"

You come up with search results that talk about-

"...oh, I got shot in the arm, I got a Scar from it"

"...I had a review of mine posted about my Cyma AK47, but it was taken down"

"...my favorite characters in Blackhawk Down were the Dboys, I like their M733"

Therein lies the problem
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