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The End of Fun

I don't frequent this site much anymore. Mainly because I'm getting tired of people thinking they're high speed Seal team 6 leet by playing MilSim and making it as "close" to the "real thing" as they can.

Threads like:
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http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=34958

Are, in my opinion, completely unneeded and ridiculous. We've been able to maintain a somewhat stable balance between the "hardcore" players and the "backyard" players for as long as I can remember. The "elitists" attended events such as Lion Claws, Pine Plains, etc etc. While the "backyard" players attended the open plays and some of the other community hosted events.

Now it seems there is a faction of people in the community who think EVERYONE needs to be highspeed like them. Because we all need to be just like DEVGRU, or MARSOC. Originality is a thing of a past anymore, It's all about going big or going home.

Now, even though I'm sure it seems like I'm completely bashing those of you who are serious business when it comes to airsoft I'm really not. I'm just asking for it to go back to the way it was - When each type of player knew their place and the ultimate goal was to promote FUN in the game. Not promote who has the most UBER LEETZOR kit or 1:1 replica kit to X named abbreviated force.


This is airsoft, this is not war. This is not the real thing. This is not supposed to be about how much money you spend on gear or guns. This is about having fun, creating and growing friendships and giving people a chance to meet others who share the same interests as them.



I'm not a fortune teller, I don't know where this sport is going to end up. All I can say is that I will continue to promote the FUN of the sport. Where everyone is welcome no matter their budget. Because when it comes down to it, when you live in the real world, airsoft should be on the bottom of the totem pole of priorities.

Just imagine if some people on this site but as much time and effort into their family, jobs, friendships, and their "real" life as they did airsoft.... Maybe we'd already have the cure for cancer.


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I'm +1 to the FUN aspect of the game. That is what it has been, and will always be for me first and foremost. FUN! when I stop having fun, then it's time for me to stop playing.

I can understand that for some folks, the FUN aspect of the game *is* to be able to have the best and most expensive guns, or to make their kit as realistic as possible. Cool by me if that is what is fun for you! Others, it's the open plays, multiple scenarios during the day and a focus on trigger time instead of sitting in the brush for an hour because the CO said on the radio that it was part of the mission. truthfully, I don't mind that as much either. If I go to a mil sim event, that is what I expect, and that is fun for me because that is the style of game I chose.

I'm trying my hand at running an event in Oct. it's a mil sim..but I called it a 'medium'. It's mostly styled as a mil sim, but I'm hoping it will be more action for everyone instead of go here and wait kind of stuff. My focus is FUN first, missions and objectives second!

So, to readers digest condense, everyone has different ideas of what FUN means to them, and they tend to choose the events and games that give them the most fun. As long as someone doesn't come up to me and start digging on me about why my load out isn't suitable because it isn't up to RL military spec, I'm good. I'm happy with what I do, and with what I have. I'll change it when I'm not happy with it anymore.

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Just imagine if some people on this site but as much time and effort into their family, jobs, friendships, and their "real" life as they did airsoft.... Maybe we'd already have the cure for cancer.
Airsoft is a hobby - a diversion, a device to occupy your time, an escape, a chance to experience adventure and camaraderie in a unique setting.

How and why you experience and enjoy your hobby is as unique as why you put grape jelly on your sausage biscuit. It just fits.

As a hobby, you are going to have people who take it way seriously than you feel is healthy and far less seriously than you think it deserves. It isn't personal against you that one would feel that way or not, so try not to take it as a slight against you. You are free to agree and disagree and, ultimately attend or not attend.

Personally, the people that treat the hobby as if we now owe them a debt of gratitude by defending this country by shooting plastic BBs at their neighbors - I don't take seriously at all. I don't see any more service being done than Phil eating a bag of Peanut M&M's - yes Phil, I am grateful for your sacrifice to this country by supporting Mars and the illustrious industry of confection it provides...

Some people have a hard time keeping their passion in the proper perspective - be it escapism, or camraderie, or the chance to inflict pain on others. So be it.

The bottom line is, It is what it is. Accept it or don't.

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This is airsoft, this is not war. This is not the real thing. This is not supposed to be about how much money you spend on gear or guns. This is about having fun, creating and growing friendships and giving people a chance to meet others who share the same interests as them.

Because when it comes down to it, when you live in the real world, airsoft should be on the bottom of the totem pole of priorities.

Just imagine if some people on this site but as much time and effort into their family, jobs, friendships, and their "real" life as they did airsoft.... Maybe we'd already have the cure for cancer.
I can't emphasis your first line enough. I often fear that some people want it to be a real war, like they need some excitement to prove to themselves and take pride in. This mentality is just sick and flawed. I could go on but I won't.

You made me realize and address something I've been feeling for awhile, I'm not creating or growing friendships through airsoft. Yet, I spend the majority of my time, money, interest into it. For what? Nothing, I get nothing out of this, it's just a way to pass the time as well as habit. I need to change that or I'll just keeping wasting my time, money, happiness.

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I'm +1 to the FUN aspect of the game. That is what it has been, and will always be for me first and foremost. FUN! when I stop having fun, then it's time for me to stop playing.

I can understand that for some folks, the FUN aspect of the game *is* to be able to have the best and most expensive guns, or to make their kit as realistic as possible. Cool by me if that is what is fun for you! Others, it's the open plays, multiple scenarios during the day and a focus on trigger time instead of sitting in the brush for an hour because the CO said on the radio that it was part of the mission. truthfully, I don't mind that as much either. If I go to a mil sim event, that is what I expect, and that is fun for me because that is the style of game I chose.

I'm trying my hand at running an event in Oct. it's a mil sim..but I called it a 'medium'. It's mostly styled as a mil sim, but I'm hoping it will be more action for everyone instead of go here and wait kind of stuff. My focus is FUN first, missions and objectives second!

So, to readers digest condense, everyone has different ideas of what FUN means to them, and they tend to choose the events and games that give them the most fun. As long as someone doesn't come up to me and start digging on me about why my load out isn't suitable because it isn't up to RL military spec, I'm good. I'm happy with what I do, and with what I have. I'll change it when I'm not happy with it anymore.

If ya ain't having FUN in the sport, then what's the point?

Oh, and the links keep taking me back to my home page instead of the topic/thread you want to show us.
hit the nail on the head right there. we all have different ideas of what makes an event fun. being a gear whore myself i like having cool looking stuff that i probably will never have a practical use for. but i also enjoy the strategic and objective aspects of the sport, if i wanted to play "run and gun" i could have stuck to paintball. what is fun for me is not what is fun nessisarily for the next guy. so for that reason i just want to say if you like run and gun fun, play at open games where that is the format of the game, but if your like me and like the thinking and the "acting" go to events that tailor to that. i would like to see events with some of the restrictions that would make objectives more important and take the game away from the constant firefight for 4 + hours only because thats what myself as a player likes. one event i enjoyed the most was also the most restricted iv been to, Outbreak. civi's (my team) had restrictions on guns and ammo coming out the wazoo but it was fun because we had to be more strategic when fighting the guys with guns ( zombies, not so much). im not military, sadly nor will i ever be, so with that in mind i only "play the part" as close to real as i can without disrespecting the men and women i personally feel are heroes.


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i concur, but to a point, they are right, I'm not saying we should all use 8.4 volts 300 FPS guns for every game, but theres a point where games become more of who has the faster gun or the highest FPS can be determined a winner. And believe me, there is a sense of elitism around those too who brag how fast they can cycle rounds on their leet E1 M4 or how they put an M160 spring in their MPAEG and it now makes people bleed from across football fields.
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I use a TM M4 with a 8.4v at 306 +/-FPS and still come out on top against faster guns (Not all the time of course). I take my false "disadvantage" and apply strategy to how I'll overcome the situation. A tool is only as good as its' user.
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Open Plays > Milsims

If I want to wear a bunny suit and use an MP5 with a drum mag, I'll ****ing wear a bunny suit and use an MP5 with a drum mag. I don't care about realism because we're running around in the woods shooting bits of plastic at each other, no matter that you do, it won't be realistic.
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I use a TM M4 with a 8.4v at 306 +/-FPS and still come out on top against faster guns (Not all the time of course). I take my false "disadvantage" and apply strategy to how I'll overcome the situation. A tool is only as good as its' user.
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If I want to wear a bunny suit and use an MP5 with a drum mag, I'll ****ing wear a bunny suit and use an MP5 with a drum mag. I don't care about realism because we're running around in the woods shooting bits of plastic at each other, no matter that you do, it won't be realistic.
to each their own my friend, but there is one thing you forget. you wont need a drum mag for your mp5 your opponents wont know whether to shoot at you or start looking for eggs. epic win no matter what
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People can be as much as "srs bsnss" and "Super 1337 ultra-awesome-complete invicible Tactical Elite Raptor Killing Helicopter Punching Superman Scout Sniper Delta Force Green Beret Rainbow Six High Speed Ultra Low Drag Pick your nose with Oakleys and dance in the barf of Magpul's latest invention R'Us Spec Ops Deluxe - the thing is. I'm still going to play how -I- want to play, wearing what loadouts -I- want to wear and caring less about anything anyone wants to think about it. Because when it all comes down to it - all of your useless **** makes you a bigger and slower target. I love bigger and slower targets. Why? Because when I play airsoft my goal is to shoot you. The easier you make it the more fun it is for me.

Oh, and if you want to whine and cry and throw a tantrum about how I shot you and I am a representing a regular grunt and you're some sort of Super-Duper-Recon-SpecOps-Laser Eyes accuracy shooter person - then please. Yell, scream, throw your gun around, ***** on the forums and cry your little eyes out. Because that just makes you look like a child...and children are funny.

In all seriousness. Play how you play and ignore those who take airsoft as "Super Srs Bsnss". Let them live in their own world and beat off to their "Hyper-Realistic" airsoft play as much as they want.

I love realism, honestly. But I like it only to a point. When it gets out of control and people begin to think they are better than others because of it. Well. I just laugh my *** off and move on. No loss.
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With certain people on AO, I don't think the fun of airsoft will ever die.
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I'm glad someone finally brought this up and this is one of the main reasons I don't play airsoft nearly as much as I used to. I love the sport, but the mentality of some of the players has become frustrating to me. I want to play to have fun, not to perfectly replicate the movements/tactics of the armed forces. On top of that, I don't think a player should get mad at me if I don't know exactly what I'm doing. If I don't hold a position well enough for you, know perfect spacing, or the specific areas I'm supposed to be guarding, why yell at me? I don't have military training. I really think this sport is starting to turn into how realistic can we get it and frankly, it's already gone too far for me. If I want to run around with faulty tactics, I will do that. I don't need you telling me the proper way to do it, it's my hobby too you know.
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I love realism, honestly. But I like it only to a point. When it gets out of control and people begin to think they are better than others because of it. Well. I just laugh my *** off and move on. No loss.
i was gonna say, for a guy who has some off the hook AWESOME kits u sure seem serious haha


its our version of the speedballl/woodsball divide in paintball. both are fun to the people that play them. just dont bash people like me who like the SIMULATION aspect of milsim. if you don't like an events rules then don't attend and go to an open play instead. just remember its a two way street, don't force me to play run and gun and i wont force you to play strict rules, its a hobby after all.
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So basically you're saying airsoft isnt fun anymore because some people take it too seriously? A lot of what you are complaining about are people's attitudes/perceptions of themselves and others which you really cant change or control. Personally im not gonna let some guy that acts (notice i didnt say think because im not a mind reader) like hes the baddest dude on the planet ruin my fun in airsoft. Yes, you see a lot of guys like that. Some people spend so much time/money/effort on airsoft that they put themselves into a catagory above those that dont spend the time/money/effort.(everyone reading this can easily picture "that" guy)

If you let "that" guy ruin your fun, then he's won. Many of them are there to ruin peoples fun, the trick is not to let them bother you. You can focus on the good, or the bad, its up to you and your fun will reflect your choice.
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I cant agree more with everyone above whose said " I play the game how I want to "
I may only be 15 and relitivily inexperienced when compared with the " die hard airsofters". But, Why do I spend ALOT of the money i recieve on airsoft, because I choose what I buy. Im not going to go out and spend money on a ptw just because i think it will give me an edge. Even though it would probably help to do so, the reason I don't buy it is because I feel i have no need for it. Why do i spend a bunch of money on my loadout, because i can carry everything i need and look tacticool while doing it. I see more and more of my friends who havnt even attended a major league game going out and buying the most expensive stuff they can because it thinks it will give them an edge, are they right? Sometimes, sometimes not. Sparky correct me if im wrong but, are you refering to people taking the game to seriously as the newer people coming in going hard to the paint, buying everything under the sun to gain an edge, and get some status right away. When playing the backyard style games this is what im seeing the most of ^. People come in with a metric S%^& ton of new gear (gear so expensive i wouldnt even buy it) and hope to get some sort of reward from me or the guys on my team because, they are showing their commitment, that they have that so called edge? Im still trying to figure out exactly why some of my friends do this. Dont get me wrong, I have a metric S%&$ ton of gear as well, but ive been playing in the major leagues for a while.
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It becomes an addiction Overlord. I started MILSIM 2+ years ago. Since then I've owned.

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That's 2k+ in just gear. I'm afraid to add up the AEGs, GBBs, misc stuff.
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