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View Poll Results: Would you play in a marpat versus multicam event?
yes, I have one of the BDU already 89 44.28%
yes, I was planning buying the BDU mentioned above 26 12.94%
no, I am an old fashion players (DCU forever!!!) 33 16.42%
Maybe, it would depends if my team could afford buying new bdus 53 26.37%
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eh, I have money and I wanted new bdu's any way. just have to find some used stuff...
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With all the people with multicam. How are we going to get other people to buy marpat.
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Simple, If you want to play in the event, you must have the camo. If not, you don't play. I think the days of asking event organizers to bend the rules for individuals should come to an end in Ohio.
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the same way you got people buying DCU when everyone around had woodland...
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True but then less poeple will start to come. Atleast until they buy the camo. With less people come we could have a similar crisis like conquest had.
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what was the crisis at conquest?
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well they had to close because not enough money was coming in
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well, let's not mix business issues with playing issues. Unless the field is sold, the owners die/divorce or they simply decide to get too greedy, Springfiled (talking about me here) is going no where anytime soon

Being said and as Evild Head mentioned, an influx of players coming from backyards have joined the community and we need to keep things organized if we don't want to create a major chaos in rules and playing styles...
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The only crisis I see is the quality of events going down because players threaten low attendance to get their way. I don't have that color, change the game for me. We should be raising the standards for Ohio events, not lowering them to garner bodies.
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Evil Head, let's not talk about "raising the standards" here...... that is another can of worms
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True Blade, we allow Minion to play which brings the bar way down.
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Actually you guys allow me to play, which basically buried the bar about 6 feet under Springfield.

Back on topic:
I'm all for marpat vs. multicam event. I'm a fan of multicam as well. But a couple things I think *could* still pose issues occasionally:

1) Faded marpat can have similar qualities to multicam at a distance, depending on the fade level (we're talking really faded). Brand new marpat is not an issue, and with OD vest/gear it's even more clear.

2) We have some players rocking mix-and-match bdu wear and gear. For example: brown shirt, OD vest, desert marpat pants. That's just one example I've seen. This has caused a little bit of confusion in the past as to who's on what side, and I believe will continue to mess with folks at times unless there is more conformity to some standard set (say OD/black/marpat gear on marpat bdu vs. tan/multi gear on multicam bdu).

Not really playing devil's advocate here, just pointing out some details that need to be considered. I do think overall it can work well.

Whatever is decided, it needs to be clear enough so that we don't have to pull out the colored armbands. Honestly those suck. If a guy with an armband on has his arm even partially concealed, you hesitate to shoot (even just for an instant) while you're trying to ID him. A guy wearing woodlands with OD or black gear is definitely on green team, without a doubt. No need to ID, just aim and shoot.

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I don't think it's a good idea. Faded marpat has looked too close to multicam in the past.
How? Multicam is so much lighter than MARPAT. MARPAT has a bunch of black, and even faded you can still tell the difference. Vest, Helmet, etc...

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I still think woodland vs. tri-color DCU's would be best.
The thing with this is that it is so common and overly-used. Everyone does this kind of thing. It's time for something different. At 117 we did Multicam/ACU/Tri-color VS. Woodland/MARPAT VS. Tigerstripe and that worked well. I kind of like this idea of using newer camo to break the pattern of woodland woodland woodland.
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How? Multicam is so much lighter than MARPAT. MARPAT has a bunch of black, and even faded you can still tell the difference. Vest, Helmet, etc...
See torque's post. It really is a bit too close and from a distance could lead to some problems. New marpat would be great.

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The thing with this is that it is so common and overly-used. Everyone does this kind of thing. It's time for something different. At 117 we did Multicam/ACU/Tri-color VS. Woodland/MARPAT VS. Tigerstripe and that worked well. I kind of like this idea of using newer camo to break the pattern of woodland woodland woodland.
In my opinion, I play airsoft for the fun, not to play dress-up. If it's over-used, who cares.

I do agree that event organizers should never change their rules for a few people to be happy though, thats just dumb.
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Since now/soon no US branch will be wearing the old pattern, it might make sense for a US team in an event to use current US patterns and subdivide up the teams into branches like the Cali Lionclaws does. Also, most of the rest of the world still uses (to my knowledge) patterns that are DCU or look similar, particularly guerilla, militia etc, who wear what they can get hands on. My 2c. I like MARPAT, it's our preferred pattern, and it works great for our style of play.
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Since now/soon no US branch will be wearing the old pattern, it might make sense for a US team in an event to use current US patterns and subdivide up the teams into branches like the Cali Lionclaws does. Also, most of the rest of the world still uses (to my knowledge) patterns that are DCU or look similar, particularly guerilla, militia etc, who wear what they can get hands on. My 2c. I like MARPAT, it's our preferred pattern, and it works great for our style of play.
Just so you know, the USCG still issues Woodlands and Tricolors to certain deployable (Iraq and Indo) units. I don't see that changing any time soon because it works well for what they need (camo on the water unless riverine is pretty pointless anyways..)

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I won't lie, I love my woodlands and dcu's. After running almost a decade in them (decade + if you count paintball) it will be hard to give up. I'd be willing to as long as down the road people don't try to push the envelope to far that forces players to buy new gear to match those patterns. If I want to wear OD gear on Desert Marpat I should be able to. I know alot of guys are trying to move to "what is issued" etc. Well like it or not there is still guys wearing WOODLAND gear on Marpat, along with other colors the US govt. aren't even buying anymore. It takes a good decade or two to phase out old gear. It's not to hard to find CURRENT pics of deployed forces still running some basic pieces of Alice gear on there current issued gear. So, back to the point. I would be cool with Marpat / Multicam as long as (and I don't think it was ever meant to be this way, but just in case) gear isn't forced to be of matched color.

Personally, I don't mind running 4 patterns on a field at one time. Say Marpat Woodland / Woodlands vs. Desert Marpat / Tricolors. One thing I know people that run multicam like about, is that it is a blend. If anything that has kind of thrown a wrench into "same pattern" situation, likewise with ACU. Patterns (for the most part) have always had a opposite lighter or darker color. Marpat has desert/woodland, Woodland has its tricolor desert opposite, British DPM has its green dpm and desert tan dpm etc. I think forcing people to only 2 patterns is going to put a strain on attendance. While I know that is ridiculous, it might happen. The "you spent $500 on gun and gear, but you can't spend $30 on new BDUs" comes up. While I agree completely with that, if we limit it to much, we might shoot ourselves in the foot. I know one thing, no matter what happens people will still run events with those older patterns. I know personally I have 0 desire to buy multicam. Will I get marpat to still be able to attend said events, sure.

Another thing I have to throw out is target id. So many newer players seem to whine about not being able to tell who is who. I am sorry, but after doing this for 8 years if you can't tell the difference between certain patterns at certain ranges, this might not be your sport. Some people are just to quick to jump on the trigger then confirm a target before engaging. Obviously if someone has the ridiculous rule set of say, having 1 team DCU's and 1 team desert marpat, against a 3rd agressor who is ACU your going to have problems.

One thing I think players forget about is that this IS camoflauge. It is made to confuse your eye sight, and let you blend into your surrounding. It isn't meant to be clear cut between pattern to pattern. This is why in video games you have guys running around in bright red or blue, or with enemy tags over there head. In closing, as long as you leave enough options for BDU regs and gear to keep people happy, I am all for it. In sports nothing should be FORCED onto a player, that kills it for some ... I don't blame organizers for wanting atleast some structure, but beating the structure to death might just do that to your attendance to. Just my .2 cents.
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I'm still seeing a lot of Woodland and some DCU being officially used. Not sure if it is just a training uniform or used down range, but the old stuff is not dead yet.

In general though, I don't have an issue with restricting an event to modern camo. Just make sure it's posted in an obvious fashion when the event is announced.

Right now I have to say that I've got 3 sets of RAID modified woodland, 3 sets of RAID modified DCU's, and one solitary set of ACU's that I've yet to use, so I'd be shopping for a new camo.
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both patterns are ugly i wont be buying them.

you will have to cut me out of my DCU/BDU after i am long dead

what about Nam tiger stripe? they are about due for a comeback right?
Indeed.

In fact tiger stripe is coming back. The new US Air Force BDU's are going to be a new pixilated tiger stripe.
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I have multicam and would attend the event just because I would be less likely to run into people trying to bend the rules. Fewer people talking after they're dead, whining, and hopefully fewer people not calling hits. Make the event rules mature and you'll have a mature group of attendees.
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Err....ABU is far from the Tigerstripe you are used to see in the field
The pixelated version has been available from textile manufacturer for quite some time but has it has been told, TRUSPEC, PROPPER and other BDU manufacturer will not start producing such patterns without large orders...so yeh, do not expect such pixelated pattern to be on th market anytime soon.

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I have multicam and would attend the event just because I would be less likely to run into people trying to bend the rules. Fewer people talking after they're dead, whining, and hopefully fewer people not calling hits. Make the event rules mature and you'll have a mature group of attendees.
So buying multicam makes you more mature?

I think i know where you where headed, real CRYE material is very expensive, so hopefully this would steer away the less serious players. Newer people may have a hard time spending around $160 on a set of BDUs. This would be nice if true. However, over the last few months i have noticed a large growth of newer players buying multicam. The replica patterns are much cheaper and are easily available. This also brings up people paying for the real thing, going all the way with multicam gear and everything, only to play with a person with faded replica multicam and a black crossdraw. Personally that does not bother me. Mostly because i have been that kid once or twice, but there are people here who would be botherd. The same people that look down on "fake" gear. I will admit it can be somewhat frustrating being shot in your $500 dollar loadout by a kid running around in tennis shoes amd a high cap.

Basically what i am poorly atempting to say is with your woodlands and DCU's sure there is a difference in brand, Propper, TRU- Spec etc. but they look more alike then multicam and its knock offs. A set of DCUs is a set of DCUs. But when you can tell the differance in a multicam pattern just by looking, some people wont like it. If you want everyone to buy official multicam, or marpat, which im not even sure if you can get issued marpat with the Eagle Globe and Anchor stiched in it.

Personally i dont realy WANT to have to buy new patterns, but if i have to buy some to continue playing i will. No need to get in a giant fuss over clothing. Just my input

Not trying to start anything, but demonic could you explain your logic?
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He might mean it takes a bit more money to go out and buy Multicam for one event. I'm 16, and if I didn't already have Multicam, I most likely wouldn't go out to buy it just to play one event that restricts uniforms. But if I were an adult with more money, it wouldn't as much of a hassle.

I think young, poor, and immature all go together very well, hehe.
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