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SIDD!! I am disappointed, you know very well that we do NOT shoot for the head on purpose unless no other option is viable. But since I know you were JOKING (correct???? ) I will over look it. (puts the mom voice away)

Seems to me that you might need to have fellow team mates help "watch" for the hits. If that particular player getting shot cannot feel them, then the others will just have to watch for the bouncing bb's.

I also fully agree with Snake. Listen for it, and if in doubt CALL IT.
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I know you were jokin FatTek, but we've played "Capture The Bacon"

put something basically bowling pin shaped in the middle of your play area, two teams start out at the opposite ends of your area, and whichever team can get the bacon back to their base first wins... and if u get shot with the bacon in your hands, you drop it, and run back to your base, tag it, and your back in.

when you run for the bacon, you're traveling TOWARDS the bbs fired at you, so you WILL feel them... like capture the flag, but you both fighting for the same object.
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The game "capture the bacon" is usually called neutral flag. Flag sits in the middle of the playing field, 2 teams rush towards it trying to push the other team back by killing key positional players and in turn try to get the flag back to their base.
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Old 07-08-2007, 09:36 PM
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Yea, we play that version of capture the flag as well, and we usually don't have problems with anyone feeling hits with this game until they get the flag and start running with it.

It's just the running that seems to be the problem, I think.
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Old 07-08-2007, 09:40 PM
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So pretty much the thing we have all in the same is this flag carrier is so pumped up or running fast and cant feel the hits or not calling Initialy (not saying anything like that about anyone) so we have a conclusion just a T use heaver ammo get closer Now lets put those ideas to the test so we can all find a way to enjoy CTF games more in the future
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Old 07-08-2007, 10:28 PM
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Instead of using a flag, just go out and find a 100+ pound life-size manakin. Instead of capture the flag, it would be like, rescue the injured person by dragging them back to your base. This way the carrier would not be able to run, and therefore it would solve the "adrenalin rush" problem. Also, it would seem like a much more viable realism alternative. When does the army go out after a flag? But they probable have gone after a downed pilot or what-not.

On another note, you guys were talking about the beer cooler, what about just getting like an ammo crate that they'd have to get back? the idea is to maintain that weight, but give it a realistic twist.
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Old 07-08-2007, 10:29 PM
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Well as in the prevous post lets try it out or some one try it out.. only SURE FIRE WAY we can say anyt of this could and will solve the problem is to go out and do it
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Okay then Tricky, you and me, we try it, just let me know when, then we can get back to these guys about it.

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Well we can try at Op Dim 001?
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What i do is just keep shooting the person until he raises his hand
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What i do is just keep shooting the person until he raises his hand
HAHA, no. its been said. many times.

you use those exploding bb's in tht other thread
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if they dont stop after u shoot em 50x. chase em and tackle em. thats very logical. neh. just keep shooting. aim for the head so they call out. few shots in the face(gotta do what ya gotta do) will make em scream and u will know they are out. because if its 300+fps. and ur not far. they feel it unless they have 5 layers of clothing. and u all are making it sound like when u run with the flag that ur adrenaline sky rockets and u have unspeakable nonfeeling powers. no.

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Man this really really irritates me. The complete lack of respect for your opponent is totally unacceptable. This is why i wish minors were not allowed to play in AO sanctioned events. You're too busy thinking about yourself to realize that grown ups have to pay insurance and medical bills. And i'm sorry, but if i get shot in the face and bust a tooth just because you feel you "(gotta do what ya gotta do)" I'll see you in court. Its a damn game dude, are that interested in getting the kill point that you are willing to put someone into harms way? I started to wonder why i see all of the older guys at SS3 and other organized Milsim events and not any of the smaller games, well now i know. Its **** like this that ruins it for everyone.

Cant feel your hits? Be a man, you can hear them ESP when someone is yelling "You're Out!!" over and over, call yourself out...Everyone else i know does it...if you cant do that fairly, well go play Halo.
Cant resist shooting someone in the face? Go play Halo or w/e it is you need to satisfy your sick twisted views.
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The most simple solution is that you can hear bb's hitting your clothes. Thats happened to me a couple of times where I don't feel it but I hear them hitting my clothes. At 110 our sniper was WATCHING his rounds hit his target and they would just look down and be like oh, what was that? then just keep going. Go ahead and put yourself in a snipers spot where you get ONE shot then you have to take your eye off of the scope and reload your chamber. How mad would you be if you WATCH your bb hit somebody and they just act like it didn't hit them? His rifle is at 440 fp/s with .25's. I'd definitely shoot somebody in the face if they can't "feel" or even "hear" the round hit them. I bet that they'd feel it once they got a big welt on their face from the sniper round. It would only happen once to a person, because the next time that they hear something hit them, they'll remember what happened last time when they heard that sound and call hit. The whole code of honor in airsoft, not everybody applies it, so thus they'll learn what happens. Oh yeah, and taking people to court. All I'd need is the WAIVER that you signed.
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if all else fails you could go on ebay and buy a HUGE spool of bubble wrap and cover the flag carrier with it.
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Doc_Blaze, still no need to hit them in the face, just go to the event organizer about it, thats the most responsible thing you can do.

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Head shots are discouraged unless they are the only thing showing, yes? Well think about this when your a "sniper" or what ever when your looking down the sights or scope or what ever and your weapon is pointed at some ones face you have to think of the weight of the trigger. When you pull it anything happens, the flag runner can cough and you hit him in the teeth or you slip and hit an ear drum. So next time you say "Oh lets just shoot them in the head", think about it .Everything can go wrong and remember, the judgment and the outcome of the shot is the only weight of the trigger. If you think there is no weight that is like disrespecting the players and your weapon. Even if your spraying madly you should still consider, "Where are my shots going?". Who can be hurt how will they be hurt. If you can think of all these things at once in moments it takes to pull the trigger, don't pull the trigger.
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Just remember guys, It only takes just 1 mistake, 1 rich kid's parents with lawyers standing by. Just 1 time for the party(s) against airsoft to start the legislation process...If ppl continue to think "Well I dont give a ****, i'll fire anyway" there wont be any airsoft......or at best case, Cyber gun will selling their 200fps guns bright orange and we'll all run around like retards.
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The most simple solution is that you can hear bb's hitting your clothes. Thats happened to me a couple of times where I don't feel it but I hear them hitting my clothes. At 110 our sniper was WATCHING his rounds hit his target and they would just look down and be like oh, what was that? then just keep going. Go ahead and put yourself in a snipers spot where you get ONE shot then you have to take your eye off of the scope and reload your chamber. How mad would you be if you WATCH your bb hit somebody and they just act like it didn't hit them? His rifle is at 440 fp/s with .25's. I'd definitely shoot somebody in the face if they can't "feel" or even "hear" the round hit them. I bet that they'd feel it once they got a big welt on their face from the sniper round. It would only happen once to a person, because the next time that they hear something hit them, they'll remember what happened last time when they heard that sound and call hit. The whole code of honor in airsoft, not everybody applies it, so thus they'll learn what happens. Oh yeah, and taking people to court. All I'd need is the WAIVER that you signed.
Lol good luck trying to get that WAIVER to hold up in court. You look like you are 14 at the most so i'm fairly sure that you dont know **** about the court system. What you are doing can be classified as assault, not neglegance, which is what the waiver protects.
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Waiver only protects the field owner and the hosting team from court, not players. Doc_ Blaze, its people like you that get us, airsofters as a whole, in trouble. Like Mavrick said, it only takes one bad incident to screw the rest of us. Kind of like Lawn Darts back in the '60s-'70s. It only took one kid being killed by neglegent and irresponsible people, to ruin it for everyone else.
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Just for the record, I do not agree with the past statements but, Here is the problem .....

Prove Intent.

I shoot you in the head from 250 feet away. You're trying to tell me that my BB's will not get off target at 275 or 250 ft. I disagree. Unfortunately those two words together get you out of a lot of crap. Second, play airsoft at YOUR OWN RISK.

Lets say I hear movement in a bush in front of me, about 40 ft away. I AM SHOOTING 399FPS in full auto. If someone is laying in that bush. Their life is about to SUCK! Oh I hit you in the face with like 6 BB's. Are you going to file civil litigation.

If you dont like being hit in the face get a face shield. Our first event I was hit in the face like 3 times, and my team mate was shot in the face point blank with 11 bb's. We could count the bleeding wounds on his face.

Just for the record from a legal stand point if this was taken to court, the Magistrate would hear both sides and would dismiss it from court so fast.

No where in the rules does it say plain and simple NO HEAD SHOTS. Head shots are frowned upon and it is courteous and respectful not to reign bb's all over someones face. I am the first person to go off if I get hit in the face and do some bad stuff because I am pissed. I don't get mad in airsoft cause I know this is the NATURE OF THE BEAST. YOU PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK!

Just for the record I don't agree with, " Oh, you didn't feel that. Well I'll just aim at your face then." This is not the way to go about it, however, If it happens don't threaten someone with a civil lawsuit over that. You would be better off going off site duke it out and then go have a beer

Oh yeah before I forget, "Classified as ASSAULT" Please stop talking. My girls father is an attorney. Hi, I'm that kid with the attorney waiting. LOL

OK I'm off of my soap box now.

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Well When my team does CTF. We have the Flag carrier walk. But, that way you give him cover fire. And have to Cover him all the way back to his base.
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No it's not people like me that get airsofters as a whole in trouble. It's the people that don't realize that this is a game and don't acknowledge the point that when you're hit... you're hit. Tough titty said the kitty. You get hit, you're out regardless if you hear it or feel it. Period. Blade talked all about it if you have a doubt, just call yourself out. SOME people can't be man enough to just be like oh ok, I think I got hit so I'm out. It's a game and people have different views on it true. But I've been shot in the face before and it hurts, I'm sure all of us have. And I'm not going to sit there trying to advance my squad on to the objective when somebody isn't calling out. I'm going to make them feel it so that it's distinctive that they're hit.
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Just for the record, I do not agree with the past statements but, Here is the problem .....

Prove Intent.

I shoot you in the head from 250 feet away. You're trying to tell me that my BB's will not get off target at 275 or 250 ft. I disagree. Unfortunately those two words together get you out of a lot of crap. Second, play airsoft at YOUR OWN RISK.

Lets say I hear movement in a bush in front of me, about 40 ft away. I AM SHOOTING 399FPS in full auto. If someone is laying in that bush. Their life is about to SUCK! Oh I hit you in the face with like 6 BB's. Are you going to file civil litigation.

If you dont like being hit in the face get a face shield. Our first event I was hit in the face like 3 times, and my team mate was shot in the face point blank with 11 bb's. We could count the bleeding wounds on his face.

Just for the record from a legal stand point if this was taken to court, the Magistrate would hear both sides and would dismiss it from court so fast.

No where in the rules does it say plain and simple NO HEAD SHOTS. Head shots are frowned upon and it is courteous and respectful not to reign bb's all over someones face. I am the first person to go off if I get hit in the face and do some bad stuff because I am pissed. I don't get mad in airsoft cause I know this is the NATURE OF THE BEAST. YOU PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK!

Just for the record I don't agree with, " Oh, you didn't feel that. Well I'll just aim at your face then." This is not the way to go about it, however, If it happens don't threaten someone with a civil lawsuit over that. You would be better off going off site duke it out and then go have a beer

Oh yeah before I forget, "Classified as ASSAULT" Please stop talking. My girls father is an attorney. Hi, I'm that kid with the attorney waiting. LOL

OK I'm off of my soap box now.
Well i'd love to hit everyone that pisssed me off, but unfortunately that causes legal action as well...esp when under the age of 18.

1) 250ft away isnt going to do anything. This comment was specifically directed towards your teamates smart *** reply that he intends to shoot in the head to "so thus they'll learn what happens.". Everyone here should have a problem with that, i do, so i wrote back to him that he's not god, he cant do those things just because he feels like playing parent and punishing someone like they are his kid.

Before ppl start talking "wtf mav is a puss" No, thats not the case, i'm just trying to give these ignorants examples of what can happen. We see this stuff all the time ppl. One retard f's it up for everyone. I think so far we are pretty lucky in the lack of restrictions we have in airsoft, but it only takes just 1 significant problem and its all over. I can guarantee there are those opposing airsoft that read our forums everyday just looking for a plausible cause to put restrictions on it; thats why i dont understand why ignorant threats like what he's posted arent treated with a zero tolerance. Everyone has their pet peeve, whether its clips vs mags, raffles vs no raffles, well this is mine. I come to play a fun game, have a great time with my friends, talk about our "war stories" after its over and go home exhausted and smiling. None of you guys want to go home with your face torn up or busted teeth; why put others in harms way? It makes no sense to me, who gives you the right to have a decision in how anyone gets hurt?

Now i can distinguish between an accident and intentional. If its intentional and it causes me a hefty medical bill, depending on the situation, i'll be talking to your mommy and daddy atleast to get my money back. And at the most, you wont be allowed to play airsoft again, so either way i'll win.

And yes man, sadly i have to say you are wrong. Go ahead and talk to your local law enforcement agency about whether an intentional shot to the head can be deemed assault and see what they say. From past experience, i already know what their answer is. Airsoft isnt sanctioned by any government agency to dismiss personal injury based upon the sport; so yeah, you are not protected under any waiver my friend. Besides, i dont need to hire an attorney. Anthem isnt going to be happy that they have to cover my bill, i think when it comes to hiring attorneys, they win.

If you'd like to attempt your "witty" pissing match with me over something you shouldnt even be supporting, i'll be much obliged to continue...for your own sake, please leave it at this because i really dont want to get this into a huge debate. The whole point was to deter these guys who think they can aim at w/e they want and get away with it and thats totally unacceptable.
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