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Old 08-02-2011, 10:29 AM
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You didnt read my post. Why would he be posting in AARs when he didnt go to the event? I agree we have tons of people with massive amounts of knowledge. They should use that knowledge in the technical threads and such. To sit there and bash people when you werent even at the event? Thats where AO is going. Im not saying TEXX does this, but it does happen and this is just one more attitude that needs to change.

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And this is where the thread dies.

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Old 08-02-2011, 10:34 AM
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Oh, I understand now. Sorry for the misread.
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Phil,

I wish my one post had not been deleted where I dabbled deeper into the Anti-Geardoness of AO. But, I guess it deserved to be deleted since I raged a little at the end of it.

Anyways, I'll recap in a nice manner since I remember most of it. But I'll do it shorthand.

1. Jealousy. People get jealous when others have nice things and they'll start a war against it.
2. False Elitism. Occurs when people see others who have a lot of gear talking to others or being heavily involved with others who also have a lot of 'name brand' gear. Automatically, simply because these are people with similar interests desiring to speak to one another, they assume it's a clique of elitists.
3. Real Elitism. Although very rare (Especially on AO), does occur - although the mods usually smash it out before anything gets crazy. It is a known fact that negative experiences are told to far more people than good experiences. It's the way of life. You can help someone and they'll tell one or two good friends. Someone however can act like a **** and the 'victim' will spread it around like wildfire. People like to paint others with a broad brush. One elitist and they'll hit you with the same brush quick, and it's NOT limited to AO most of the time. All it takes is for them to see an Airsoft Geardo Elitist anywhere...beyond this forum, and they'll make this assumption.
4. Do not understand the point. Some people do not understand the point of spending 400+ on a bare MOLLE plate carrier, so they hate against it.

It's sad people make all these assumptions and I honestly wish they would worry about themselves and what they do rather than putting other people under a microscope. This is what the staff is for. I am sure, actually, I am confident, if someone decided to be an elitist prick and went all over purposefully slamming others our moderation team would put them back in their place before they could blink.

I like what has been said before. People need to just get along. Regardless of their kit. I have good contacts and get along really well with both sides of the spectrum and I do not see why it's difficult for others to do the same. I have those I get along with who are some of the biggest geardos and others who simply show up with a crossdraw vest and some woodland cammies. I never look at either differently. It's their attitude and how the play the game that makes it for me.

I wish others would have the same outlook.

Better yet, you guys want REAL elitism and elitist pricks? Join reenacting. Does not matter what era. You want to see it for real, then that's where you need to go. There are so many elitist politics in reenacting that I could make a boat and float on it...
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I dont want to argue. I havent played in almost 5 or 6 months and to come back to some of my favorite people seeming like they are losing interest in airsoft makes me sad. I just think attitudes need to change. Its fun, why argue? I have met some of my best friends through AO and i want future generations to have the same experience. Isnt that the goal of AO? To help everyone enjoy the sport, get the together, and have fun?

And blade your right. When Northern ohio airsoft organizers chime into what went wrong and how it can be fixed, there is nothing better than that.
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:35 AM
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Texx is located in Wisconsin, does that mean he is a pointless member? His knowledge has benefited others many a time. Sure, he sometimes lets his sarcasm take the wheel, but he is still a responsible poster out of the state of Ohio.
Hoot was referring to events, not technical threads and sections. That being said though, I would expect anyone, newbie or veterans, from Ohio or out of state, to voice his concerns about possible safety issues at events I host. Avoiding the negative comments will lead us nowhere good. So in a way, as long as players voice their opinions in a proper manner, I don't see why it should create a problem.
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I wish my one post had not been deleted where I dabbled deeper into the Anti-Geardoness of AO. But, I guess it deserved to be deleted since I raged a little at the end of it.
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I saw it. Let's take this private, so we can get some good heart-to-heart in.
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oh and one final thing. If you dont go to AO events or dont even live near AO, why are you commenting on event threads? You trolls know who you are.
I'd just like to say one thing here. I have a vested interest in the success of the airsoft sport and the airsoft community, as many others do. If something or someone was out of line, even at an event I did not attend, I feel it is not only my duty, but also the responsibility of others to ask for clarity to define the problem, to provide constructive criticism and hopefully find a solution that will eliminate future issues. This is how we as a community can learn to do things better. This is a step toward improving event safety and coming together as a community.

If people are simply trolling, that's one thing, but being constructive and adding commentary based on experience, well, that's another and it shouldn't be looked down upon.

I'm not even going to comment on the elitism topic though. I've read through the posts and I see both sides of the coin. While I don't consider myself an elitist, others may and I guess that is there perspective since they don't know me personally. But hey, that's life.
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I don't know if it pertains here, but one of the things that have pissed me off since I have been here is the.."Dude...try google"..."Dude try the search tab"...etc..so and so...

Have you thought to realize that some people join here thinking that WE ARE "experts" in airsoft and use THIS forum as a research source.

I have tried searching for things, but if I don't get the EXACT wording right...it won't pull it up!!

SO what I am saying?? What pisses me off is all the sarcastic crap that some people put on here when "slapping a noob" down. There is NO reason to put on all of the crap...just answer the question....or point them in the right direction..."GOOGLE AND SEARCH" are not always helpful!!!!

I would hate to be a younger member asking an honest question and get the bull**** that some of them have received!! I have been on the end of one of those "try google" crap posts!!

Just be helpful...we were ALL NOOBS once!!!

And as far as this gear stuff goes.....WHO CARES!!!! Wear what works. I am NO BETTER because I have a full time job and can buy all of the bells and whistles right now and a kid can't!!! BIG DEAL!!!

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And I've always considered AO one of the more heavily moderated forums....
Nope, that trophy belongs to MIA. Everyone there is grammar Nazi's. haha

I think towards the aspect rules, AO has soften a bit. Just in July alone, I saw about a dozen Necro postings alone... which before there was barely any.

AO is about one of the nicest airsoft forums out there. If you look at the forum, you guys put in your own time and money into this glorious site. MIA hasn't even spent a couple dollars to get a real URL. haha

I've always preferred AO over MIA because of it's structure and members. There are some great people here that will help you out with anything!

But we need some more hammering done, but not too much Red.
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If people are simply trolling, that's one thing, but being constructive and adding commentary based on experience, well, that's another and it shouldn't be looked down upon.
If you read my previous statement i said other event coordinators posting constructive crticism is good. People who get on here just to be SMART ASSES are hurting the community.
I agree with Tommy. Grow up. Be Mature. Have fun. Is it so hard to be nice to people? I guess people have a lot more balls when they are behind a keyboard and not on the field.
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Who was that, Urban?
I got such a hard laugh outta this. I Just got done playing BFBC2 and I was reading the forums and all I could think about was ^ Less QQ more Pew Pew NOOBS!

I mean if you break it down to its bare minimum this short phrase is pretty legit. I think some of the fun is lost when people get so tangled up in the quoted "Politic Triangle"

Secondly- EGOS is a huge thing. I remember seeing some people talk down about a couple of new people, instead of offering them support or some direction. Its gonna happen but that doesn't mean it is gonna happen with out some sort of repercussion.

Third- This whole, " I'm not gonna answer your question you need to search it" Its a big deal. I don't know about you guys but I feel I accurately speak for a large number of solid members in this community and others. I join a forum for a game or hobby or sport I'm interested in and play on the regular. I have a question or want to bring something up. I know I'll just go to the search function and see all the post that have had anything to do with it. Just say," I think we've had this come up before but hear was the general consensus or something of that nature. Don't be a d-bag. Everyone knows Google. But some times its the conversation about certain things that get people the answers they need. Not archived conversations about similar things from 4 years ago. Just something else we can all think about
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But we need some more hammering done, but not too much Red.





We will start enforcing the little things if people want. The mod staff will ultimately do what they think is best for the community, but if we get requests to be more strict on necroposts, arguments, and the like, I would assume we certainly could.
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I know I'm not that well known on the forums. I don't post much, but that is mostly because I don't have much to say or add to what is typically posted in a thread before me. From the looks of things, the original post makes a solid point and asks for discussion and solutions. So far, I've seen mostly complaining and bringing up more problems, very few suggestions for solutions.

I see it like this when it comes to the AO forums, and life in general truthfully, 'You reap what you sow.' The way we treat new comers to the forums and to the sport is how they will learn to treat others as time goes on. The ones that don't get shamed or angered into leaving the forum altogether, learn to treat more new folks as they come in the same way.

Now that I have made an observation about one thing that I think is a problem with the forum, I need to suggest a solution. Here it goes.

How about a mentor program of some sort? I'm hoping that there would be a group of folks that would volunteer for that sort of thing (I would be first in line), but when a person signs up, perhaps in the registration they answer a question, 'are you new or relatively new to the sport of airsoft?" If they are, they can have a mentor for a while. someone they can ask questions directly to. someone who can guide them towards the search box, inform them of tags for info searching and how to add them to thier owns posts. someone who can sympathize that wearing jeans to their first open play to see if they like the sport is okay and remind them that it would be beneficial for them to get some camo they can afford if they decide to keep playing. Be the guy that if you can't answer the question for them, direct them to someone who can, or help them create a thread to ask for an answer.

Basically, be a good role model and give new folks some genuine HELP and GUIDANCE as they enter the hobby/sport of airsoft!

I'll admit, I don't really get the chance to do that on the forums much, other than point someone in the direction of how to look up events and such, but on the field..that is a different story!!! I do my best and go out of my way to help out the new folks. The younger kids who have the 'deer in the headlights' look when they are milling about a group of strangers carrying around all those airsoft guns. I talk to them. I ask about them and how they found out about airsoft and the field. If they aren't wearing camo, I talk to them about it. I suggest camo types. Every game this year I have played, I have loaned out equipment to new players and fellow airsofters who have gun troubles. As a matter of fact, at the beginning of the season, we had a father and son show up to a game just to observe and learn more about the sport. halfway through the day, the son was in my camo shirt, armed with my p90 and mask, and his dad with my sidearm and mask and we sent them into the mix. The son took to it like a duck to water, and not only did we gain two new local airsofters, the older brother came with them to play a few games later!! I am proud to say, EVERYONE in attendance at that first game was helpful to the father and son. They asked questions, the group there answered them, and if they didn't know, they made an effort to find someone who did!
On the field, that was one heck of a first impression, and the result was new players. If we could get that same kind of impact here, on the forum, then I feel a good 90% of the problems we face would be eliminated outright!

The new folks today will be the veterans of tomorrow. Lets make sure we instil in them the values and conduct that we are complaining is missing. Lets pass on a legacy of being courteous. RESPECTFUL and helpful and not one of bashing and trolling. One way to start the ball rolling is being a mentor to a new person. Especially if they are local and you can meet and play together at game. Let them run with you for a few games and teach them different tactics. Teach them safety, discipline and honor first hand. Then, they will pass on what they have learned.

Okay, I think I'm starting to ramble on and repeat myself now. I hope I have added to the conversation productively.
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One of the problems I've seen mentioned in this thread is the "search" issue. Whenever someone asks a question on here and another member tells them to "use the search function" or the like, I go to both AO's search function and google and run a few searches on the subject myself. Now, roughly 50% of the time that I do this, the very first result is the thread I just came from. This makes me wonder, do the people that tell people to run a search do so themselves? Or do they just think "Oh hey I vaguely remember something like this from some time, this person is a noob who doesn't follow the rules and is lazy." Oftentimes when there is an answer in a past thread, its only partly related to the persons question, and if this person posts in the thread asking for some more information specific to their question, they get ragged on for necro-posting. Its essentially a no-win situation. People will rag on them for posting a new thread, and people will rag on them for posting in an old thread. Many people just assume that necro-posting is simply posting in an old thread. Its not. It is posting in an old thread when you don't have anything productive to say to continue the discussion.

Another issue is the experts. AirsoftOhio has a large group of people that can easily be considered experts in their particular area. People who post what some might think to be a simple question here shouldn't be ragged on, because you know what, this is how people learn. People learn through questioning and discussion. These people are asking this question of the experts, so that they can learn more. If more members of this forum, including some "so-called vets", were to realize this, take a step back before they post, and try to put themselves in the others shoes, than this forum would be a more enjoyable place to be.
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I know there are multiple problems with AO and the people active on it. However, I think one issue is a pretty simple one.

AO is a HUGE melting pot you have people of all different ages and walks of life. There's nothing wrong with that - but it's obvious that when you get that many people together in one place there are going to be problems. Now I've been here for almost 3 years and as I'm sure others can agree with that have been here longer than me - AO get's a lot more dramatic and just idiotic right after high school lets out and towards the middle to end of summer?

So here is, what I think, is a solution that would solve a lot of issues. I don't know how you would do it or enforce it but create an age limit for actual forums. Have an area where the big kids can go talk and an area for the pee-wees. No one wants to be the bad guy and say it but I think that is a big problem for this site. Kiddies thinking they run the world, and this site, just because of their age. It's just a way of life, I remember I was like that at 14-15, where I thought I ruled everything etc.

It's these kids who think that they have all the experience and knowledge in the world and that everyone else is wrong that are causing problems for the rest of us. Plain and simple - the honest brutal truth. If there were some sub forum where the 18+ or 21+ etc crowd could go to just get away from all the penis comparison contests, I'm sure you would see an immediate increase of traffic to AO.


Anywho - I'm sure I'll think of more things to say but for now, I bid you farewell.
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Sparky, the same thing was used for milsim advancement. You'd cut off half the crowd of AO and basically force us to deal with younger kids. Bam, there goes that crowd and Ohio future.

Advancement needs to benefit everybody. You can't just say well this crowd gets the luxury life while the rest rot. That is what is destroying AO and that is what needs to be stopped.
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Old 08-02-2011, 02:00 PM
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Rygar, your mentor suggestion is exactly what I did with my cousin when he got interested in airsoft. I think I spent about three solid hours talking with him about what gear you need, what is cool, behavior on fields, anything under the sun, etc. He was always willing to listen, but still made up his own mind on things. He is still no vet, but he is a lot farther a long then some of the year members on hear. Why? Because he had me to inform him on the dos and donts of airsoft.

In a forum setting this might be more difficult, because I would need to write a novel to inform one person and it might not fit another person. The best way I think is to have a noob corner where they can run wild. Then have, by field, a dedicated noob guru. So that say I am new in SE Ohio and I go to Ruin Raiders game. They ask are their any noobs, I say yes, and they tell me to see this person to answer any questions that I might have. (actually might start doing this anyway, lol.) Just an idea.
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I don't know about that concept Sparky... As a community, everything needs to be kind of out in the open that way no one is left out. For the most part, we are all equal and have our own skill sets and thinking to contribute. After all, the younger players, are the future of where the community will ultimately end up, so they might as well be included. Plus you must remember that maturity is something that is not determined by age; there are plenty of people that are 18+ that have the mentality of thinking that what they have is best or that they know best. Sure, it is more common in the younger age brackets, but it is nothing a little bit of cracking down cannot fix.

To be honest, taking that approach would be kinda of what is already going on; I'm better(older) than you, so you aren't good enough. We are trying to get away from that mentality, correct?

Instead of separating the forums, moderators simply need to crack down on the people that have the "penis comparison" mentality. Simple as that.
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