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Old 04-17-2006, 04:00 PM
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Basic facts about bolt action rifles

Ok, following in the footsteps of the great posters like Fox, Goober, AllenTC2,etc. I figured I would type a post on the basics of bolt action rifles.

Ok, some regularly asked questions about bolt action rifles include but are not limited to, are gas rifles good? Which rifle can I get a bagillion feet per second out of? Is the super 9 a good bolt action rifle? and the ocasional what is a bolt action rifle? I will cover these questions as well as the basic facts of both gas and spring rifles.

Gas bolt action rifles are nice, but do not work properly in cold wether due to the fact that the gas and seals inside the gun will contract and will not allow for proper operation.

The highest FPS you are going to get out of a gun, and keep it reliable is 600fps, and even then, you will probably not be allowed to use it in any games besides backyard games. You will want to keep in the 480fps to 530fps range.

The super 9 is NOT a good sniper rifle, and it is not extremely upgradable.

What is a bolt action rifle? A bolt action rifle is defined as the following:

A bolt-action firearm is typically a rifle that is manually operated (i.e. by hand), specifically that the opening and closing of the breech is controlled manually by a bolt. The term "action" references the means by which a firearm operates.


So, now that you know what it is, there are two types of bolt action rifles in airsoft, spring and gas powered.


Spring Rifles
There are a few facts about spring rifles that are not taken into consideration by new players while purchasing. One is that they do not come shooting 500fps+ out of the box, they require extensive upgrading. Another thing not thought about is when upgraded, pulling the bolt back takes strong arms, unlike gas rifles.

The main trust worthy spring rifle manufacturers are Maruzen, Sun Project, Tokyo Marui, and Classic Army. When purchasing these rifles you must take into account that these guns are only shooting 280fps-320fps stock, and will require some extensive upgrades to get it into the 500fps range.(Keep in mind, some Sun Projects come shooting 400+fps out of the box, but require very expensive upgrades to get it any higher.)

Upgrades to get you into the 500fps range will include the following in just about all spring guns:

1.Cylinder kit(Includes reinforced cylinder, cylinder head, spring guide, and reinforced piston.)

2.Upgraded spring(there are springs for different FPS's so the choice is yours.)

3.Upgraded trigger assembly and/or sears

4.And depending on the rifle, a tight bore barrel

Also, in some rifles, a new hopup unit is needed/a good idea.


Pro's of upgraded spring rifles

1.You can use them year round.

2.Shot to shot fps is closer.

3.The guns are easy to work on, and do not have a ton of small parts like those found in gas guns.

4.Spare mags are cheap.

5.You can get a gas cylinder conversion kit for most guns if you are dead set on getting a gas gun for the warmer months.

Con's

1.More stressed parts between the piston, cylinder, etc.

2.The gun will cost more to get it shooting at a higher fps.

3.With the upgraded spring, the bolt is very stiff and hard to pull back.

4.The gas for the gas conversion kit is charged into the cylinder, not the mags like the gas rifles, this means you need to carry around spare gas as well as mags.


Gas Rifles
The leading manufacturer in gas rifles is Tanaka. They make gas sniper rifles as well as gas classic rifles, which include the Kar 98K and the G33/40 Mountaineer Version. The guns have many pro's and con's.

Pro's

1.Zero bolt resistance

2.The newer versions are equipped with a gas adjustment where you can adjust the fps on the gun.

3.The guns are solidly built with metal in all the proper places, and in the classic rifles, real wood.

4.Out of the box, the guns are already shooting in the 450fps to 550fps range, depending on the gas and adjustment of gas flow.

5.The gun is an overall cheaper investment, due to the fact that you don't have to put internal upgrades in the gun.

Con's

1.The guns do NOT work well in cold wether.

2.You do not have the option of putting a spring system in the gun so you can use it in cold wether, unlike the spring rifle which you can get a gas system for.

3.Shot to Shot fps varies more due to gas fluctuation

4.Mags are more expensive


One last thing to consider, sniping in airsoft is NOTHING like it is in video games, paintball, or movies. Due to the fact that a sniper rifle is normaly shooting at 500+fps and your med will normaly be 100+ft., you will not have a clear shot on a regular basis. While playing in the woods, it is hard enough to get a clear shot from 50ft. without brush and branches getting in the way, let alone 100ft. So basicly you will not shoot to often, and if you do, you will more then likely miss, and give away your position. It really is an "acquired taste" in role.

Overall, it is your decision on what type of rifle you would like to get, but by considering the above stated pro's and con's and what you want to do, this may help you make a decision.

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Old 04-17-2006, 04:15 PM
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I nominate a sticky!

Very good post Blackhawk.
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Thanks vbtb110. I just figured I would give the basics to help new players make more educated decisions while buying new guns, and may keep this section from becoming full of , How can I upgrade my super 9 posts.
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Thanks vbtb110. I just figured I would give the basics to help new players make more educated decisions while buying new guns, and may keep this section from becoming full of , How can I upgrade my super 9 posts.
Super 9s, haha! Excellent post man!!
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Old 04-29-2006, 12:13 PM
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Thank you Son, but it does not seem to have helped because someone just made a supah nizzine post. So mod's should this be stickied?
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very nice blackhawk, i vote sticky as well

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i even know the super 9 sucks better burn it before it turns your airsoft skills bad. mine isnt much better... utg m324 eeekk but still better then that. try kicking it maybe or throwing it off tall building. maybe that help if not just send it to me i take care of it for you.
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Super 9 won't make your airsoft skills bad. But it will be a distinct disadvantage in terms of quality against other bolt rifles.
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Thanks! im a noob and this really helped! good job!
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I don't disagree with anything you put in your post, it is excellent. Having that I have played with a Tanaka M700 for 2 years, I would like to add some clarification:

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Gas Rifles
The leading manufacturer in gas rifles is Tanaka. They make gas sniper rifles as well as gas classic rifles, which include the Kar 98K and the G33/40 Mountaineer Version. The guns have many pro's and con's.

Pro's

1.Zero bolt resistance

2.The newer versions are equipped with a gas adjustment where you can adjust the fps on the gun.

3.The guns are solidly built with metal in all the proper places, and in the classic rifles, real wood.

4.Out of the box, the guns are already shooting in the 450fps to 550fps range, depending on the gas and adjustment of gas flow.

5.The gun is an overall cheaper investment, due to the fact that you don't have to put internal upgrades in the gun.

On paper, anyway; see below.

6. I have yet to see any springer that shoots as well as my M700. It is an absolute howitzer (75% bias, 25% experience).

Con's

1.The guns do NOT work well in cold wether.

I have found that it performs well in any weather above 55 degrees. By this I mean that, if my rifle shoots 510 FPS in 80 deg weather, it will shoot 450 FPS in 55 deg weather. Not too shabby.

2.You do not have the option of putting a spring system in the gun so you can use it in cold wether, unlike the spring rifle which you can get a gas system for.

3.Shot to Shot fps varies more due to gas fluctuation

Not that much, really. I have found that if you let the mags get to ambient temperature, the variance is only about 5-10 FPS per shot. If you are shooting when the mags are very cold, i.e., right after you fill them, then they can vary downward up to 100 FPS.

4.Mags are more expensive

Very True, and they get a limited amount of shots, they have to be rebuilt, which for the M700 is about $35/mag

Let me add some more CONS:

5. HIGH MAINTENANCE. After about every two games, I need to tear the gun apart and clean off the hop up rubber, which I have torn in the process before. The magazines have many moving parts and linkages and need to be torn apart and lubed at least once a year, risking that they will leak when you put them back together. The mags also have a floating air nozzles that decides to get dirty and quit floating when you need it most, and your FPS dies suddenly and erratically.

6. The guns also have many parts that wear down, such as striker springs, firing pins, and mags.

7. Airsoft Extreme is about the only shop I have found in the U.S. that stocks parts for them, and they are very limited. I have had to call on WGS shop in the past for hard-to-gets.

8. While they shoot hot out of the box (500-600+), they require upgrades to shoot accurately. Don't buy a Tanaka M24/40/700 unless you can also buy a Creation metal hop up chamber and G&G hop up rubber. To get my gun to shoot accurately, I have $700 wrapped up in it.


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Ah, sorry, I'll start a new thread as advised...
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wow....

Anyways, I would like to add a little piece of tec that will save all you spring action snipers some cash. As many of you are aware from experience, the hopup in all m24,aps2 tyep designs tend to break because a bb will get sucked back into the cylinder housing from time to time, and then rammed into the bottom hopup wall when you close the bolt. This bends the brass hopup wall forward and will not allow for mags to fit. This is the reason most people buy new hopup chambers or upgrade to expensive PDI's. THIS WALL IS NOT NECESSARY, when it bends inward just break it the rest of the way off and smooth it down, the hole will simply allow for bbs to escape the cylinder housing, no compression is sacrificed.
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