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Old 02-07-2008, 07:06 PM
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It would help to have signs posted in the staging area enumerating the more important rules (mags out, chambers clear). Good team leadership and organizers communicating with the players, being very vocal should help with the problem.
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Old 02-08-2008, 01:05 AM
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There seems to be a lot of backlash at such an idea, but it isn't a hassle in the least. At Codename Thunder we had to use them. I think I paid $3 for one at the field, and kept it in a pocket.

The advantage for using these is that you can CLEARLY see that an individual has protection on their gun while leaving the field and are in the staging area. The idea of having refs watch players leaving the field is great, but if we all had to stop and shoot a few times into the ground, well, clearing the field would take a lot longer (assuming a large scale event). So the use of the barrel cover requires only a simple visual. Also, these things are very adaptable to any guns, and the use of this rule has indeed worked at other events (i.e. Thunder) without any major issues.

The only condition that I feel would be necessary is that organizers requiring this rule need to have available covers for sale at their events. The only issue I could see resulting would be a player coming to an event who can't play because he doesn't have a cover. But if they are on sale at the event, it shouldn't be an issue.

We all go through a lot to get ready for an airsoft event. Driving, gearing up, charging batteries, safety, etc, and we spend a lot of money doing it. Given the ease at which one can aquire a barrel cover and the relatively low cost, it seems like a such small imposition that could improve field safety.
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Old 02-08-2008, 07:33 AM
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if we all had to stop and shoot a few times into the ground, well, clearing the field would take a lot longer (assuming a large scale event).

I completely disagree. You can pull out a mag and shoot at the ground while you walk back to the staging area. It doesn't take any longer than a few seconds.

I doubt this will be adopted by the milsim community. A barrel bag shouldn't be needed if everyone is following safety rules. Add more rules because the existing ones aren't being obeyed/enforced, in the guise of making the world (of airsoft) a better and safer place for everyone--sounds like something a (political persuasion) would do.
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:29 AM
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What will we do with our pistols? Do they need a barrel blockers too?
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Add more rules because the existing ones aren't being obeyed/enforced, in the guise of making the world (of airsoft) a better and safer place for everyone--sounds like something a (political persuasion) would do.
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There is nothing political about my suggestion, no more than you suggesting that we certify players for Milsim. I would choose your words more carefully for when you say something like that you insult me and everyone who agrees for mearly suggesting something you disagree with. I'm sure you would not appreciate the negative connotation if you suggest something. You have every right to disagree but no right to label my motives or anyone elses. Keep this thread clean of any accusations.
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Old 02-08-2008, 11:30 AM
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I never said there was anything political about this discussion. I simply pointed out logic and common sense and how this discussion is similar to other happenings that affect us all. I purposefully left out the political persuasion so as not to make it a political discussion (i.e. neutral), focusing instead on how adding more rules isn't the answer.

I'm sorry if you take it as a political slant. That wasn't my intention. Comparison of the two was.
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:00 PM
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The only true backing youve had here is from your own team and maybe one or two others. This is no where near enough to adopt a new rule into the sport. Lets drop the subject and move on to more important things at hand such as training new people this idea obviously isnt going anywhere.
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:23 PM
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This thread was i saftey idea. Evil head has stated more then once that this is'nt to start a new airsoft ohio rule. It dose'nt matter who backs it or who dose'nt. You, snipe don't have the right to decide what happens to it or what to do with it next.
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:31 PM
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I did not mean that as an attack towards evil head i simply meant it as we need to move on and discuss things like training and other things to make the community a better safer place. In no way do i have a problem with evil head though ive only met him once. I simply think instead of us all bickering here we should put the knowledge towards a more useful thread such as how to train new people. I am sorry if it seemed as an attack i just want to see the community become a better place not get covered up by a piece of fabric. And yes the core players will start to come back when the newer younger generation is trained in the respect and responsibility of the game i know i will. (Ill go back into hibernation 5 posts a year is all i need to make)
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Ok, i to would much rather see event staff start enforcing all rules to the point that if you got to send someone home then do it. Most of the time people are let of the hook because they do'nt want to hurt any feelings or get bad ratings on there event. So what if our team is going to use them and others are not. I would'nt be surprised if more feilds that support both airsoft and paintball start this rule. As for trainning the young/new players out there i like the open event's. Go and make yourself availible to them. If you take the time to play with and teach them they will listen.
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Regardless if you agree or disagree on this particular issue, or any issue for that matter, there is no justification to be snarky, sarcastic, or disrespectful.

Furthermore, no one should ever be criticized for suggesting new ways to make our sport safer. While all ideas may not be good ones, if someone is lambasted for presenting an idea that you might not agree with, he/she may be hesitant to present their next idea to the community. And that idea may be a really good one.

Nothing is ever lost by presenting and discussing ideas, the only time we lose is when ideas are never presented.

In the future, if you need to disagree with someone, try and do so in a respectful way. Sure, it might not be as funny, or seem as effective, if you leave out that dry sarcastic humor at the OP's expense, but in the long run, we will all be better served by nurturing and fostering ideas for growth and advancement of our sport.
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I would hope noone took my post as sarcastic, because I was being serious. It's my opinion that we simply don't need to replace the existing rules. I look at the sock idea as a bandaid for what isn't being enforced now. What we need is more verbal organizers and leadership. That's pretty much all I have to say about the subject. I'll leave the thread to go where it may.
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That is what i was trying to put acrossed as well. Im sorry it was taken as disrespectful and wrong i just want rules enforced and new players taught the rules and responsibilities. I will be at Red Dragon sometime this season to help show the new people the rules
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My opinion on the subject is this. The average airsoft player already spends hundreds if not thousands on this sport. A $3 investment is of much greater value if it prevents even a single media fiasco that leads to regulating legislation against airsoft.
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It's my opinion that we simply don't need to replace the existing rules.
No rules would be replaced. This would be in addition, as a secondary precaution. Mags should still be removed and chambers cleared. In the event that someone forgets to remove their mag or clear their chamber, this would serve as protection. However, that does not mean that the current rules shouldn't be enforced. However, be honest, no one here is entirely perfect. Things slip our minds, and even the most experienced players can make a mistake. The point of this is to be a secondary protection, decreasing the likelyhood that one forgetful moment could result in serious injury.

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I completely disagree. You can pull out a mag and shoot at the ground while you walk back to the staging area. It doesn't take any longer than a few seconds.
Of course this should be done, but it is hard for event organizers to ensure that everyone has done this. Maybe the mag removal but not the cleared chamber. These covers provide an extremely easy way for organizers to ensure everyone off the field has some sort of safety mechanism on their gun.


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I doubt this will be adopted by the milsim community.
This would be an off the field form of safety for those in staging areas and safe areas. I don't get how it would affect the milsim crowd. The bags are not permanently attached to the gun. The cover goes on the barrel, and then an elastic string is looped onto another part of the gun, keeping the bag secure. In order to remove the bag, the whole thing is simply taken off the gun. So while on the field, milsim will not be affected at all. Off the field in staging areas, I wouldn't think milsim applies (at least in the vast majority of cases). That said, it doesn't seem like it would be a huge problem for the milsim community.

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While i oppose the idea, i'm in complete awe at the amount of negative feedback and lack of respect this is getting.

SPEAR thanks for making a suggestion to improve safety. Airsoft needs more individuals with good ideas. Its more fuel for our arsenal when fingers are pointed towards our sport about the lack of safety. What i like the best is that unlike alot of the ideas that get presented on the boards; you guys arent just talking about it, you're doing it.

I think we all need to be a little honest with ourselves and everyone else. I will admit i opposed the idea simply because i dont want to do it. I think we all need to ask ourselves; Are we just opposing it because we simply do not wish to do it?

As for the opposition to the proposed idea, be more empathetic. Next time it might be your "great" idea that gets shot down.
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Here's my opinion:

Paintballers have long since used barrel condoms and I've only seen one accident in a staging area at a commercial field in my 3 years playing. Out in the woods I saw a handful, but there were no barrel bags used out there.

So if paintball players (in most of your opinions you would call them more "immature" than airsofters) can adhere to these safety regulations, then why wouldnt airsofters be able to put on their barrel bags after games. If a player doesn't, then there will be consequences. Nobody wants to sit a game, so they will take the miniscule effort to put on their barrel bag.

I'm so used to throwing one on 10's of times/day playing paintball, so I would rather throw on a barrel bag than take out my mag and clear the chamber. just my $0.02

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