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Old 08-21-2015, 05:29 PM
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Greetings AO Community,

My name is Justin Hauserman. In the sport, I am Kishi, the Squad Leader for the team Knights of War. You may possibly remember me as Zeph, from Recon Team Anaconda.
I’d like to start by saying, over the past year of forming Knights of War and attending events, most of the AO Community has been very helpful. A few quick, personal, special thanks from me will go to team Ronin, Jonah Mullins, Kadaffee of Task Force 216, and Garett K from Oppenheimer Airsoft. Very personal thanks from me also go to Omenone and H.N.I.C. of Recon Team Anaconda, who aren’t so much parts of the AO Community anymore, but have guided me in the forming of KoW.
Over the past year, I’ve had the pleasure of meeting several new teams, and have been able to reconnect with a few teams I remember from “back in the day.”

Now, let’s get to the topic, so cleverly named, “Reviving A.O.”

As mentioned before, I use to actively play airsoft a long time ago, in what seems to be a galaxy far, far away. The community I remember, every team was active. Almost every team knew the difference between an open play and MilSim. EVERYBODY was helpful, even with the occasional sarcastic remark. The experienced willingly taught the novice. Techs at least taught people how to work on their personal guns, if not also other guns. There was a REAL sense of community back then. I’d say for me personally, this was roughly 7-10 years ago.
What I see today is a big lack of community. Perhaps I just haven’t been around long enough in this "new age", but based on the various discussions listed here:
http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=52439
I don't think I'm wrong. Nor do I think that it's any sort of secret. For me personally, I see this as a problem…

The Knights of War are a part of the Airsoft Ohio community now, and as such, we would like to see the community back into its “Glory Days” if not better than…
Now, various reasons are explained in the previously linked thread, as to why the community has fallen apart. I’ve also heard of some other issues, including major issues and minor issues alike, both impacting the downfall of AO. As brutally honest, or harsh, as this may sound… Tough. It’s in the past. The issue at this point is NOT what’s happened to AO. The issue is how do we rebuild?
I said in the linked thread,
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All communities have this problem, I feel, at some point. It seems to me that it's always a matter of...
"Well, the war is over. We're left with a deserted wasteland. How do we survive?"
Well, by finding shelter, running water, food, etc.

We already have shelter. It's AO. While it may be damaged, it's still a place to start.
Running water? That to me would be the flow of newer players in the sport. As you said, they're constantly coming and going. Our sense of community needs to give them a reason to stay, and act as a well for relation to my analogy.
Food? Well that would be the veterans, or experienced, teaching the new. Not telling them "This is how we do it, end of story."
Things are always changing in airsoft. When I use to play as Zeph, back on Recon Team Anaconda, gas blowback guns were like brand new to us, and Polarstars weren't even a thing. Surviving off of food in a wasteland is process of trial and error. Some people may eat radiated berries and die, (give bad advice or turn down a newbs idea) and it could have a bad affect on the community. That's what's happened, but the solution isn't to hide until the well has run dry and we've run out of Bush's Baled Beans.
We need to go to the river and start fishing!
A suggestion from Blade was made on the fourth page of the thread,
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How to start moving in the same direction? Get all the business, players and EO back on www.airsoftohio.com . As simple as that. I am not sure how else to say it but FACEBOOK is not made for a tight community. It is made for instant and quickly forgotten information. How can you bound as a community when whatever you say is forgotten few minutes later?

Wanna help?! promote the hell out of AO and brings people back in here
I also think that we should get the organized teams of Ohio together. As such, I myself have done quite a bit of reaching out over the past week or so and have compiled a list of 22 teams and at least one to two contacts for each team. I have only to confirm 2 more of the 22 teams before I have a full contact list for each team. I’ve compiled this list over the past few days, since Tuesday, reaching out to each team individually.
That being said, I think we should organize an AO Meeting where the leaders of the Ohio Teams, whom I have listed in a document on my computer, come together and start setting a standard for all of Ohio Airsoft games, MilSim and Open Play alike.
Now, as Raider had very well reminded me, Rome was not built in one day.
I understand that not every airsofter in Ohio is registered or using airsoftohio.com however, with some gathered efforts, I STRONGLY believe we can do this.
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The only suggestion I would have here is to kill/neuter the facebook page. I mean either shutting it down completely or having it to the point where you can not post but just have links to the AO forum. At the same time upgrade the forum a bit. Anyone else have any comments or suggestions.
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Old 08-21-2015, 06:26 PM
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The only suggestion I would have here is to kill/neuter the facebook page. I mean either shutting it down completely or having it to the point where you can not post but just have links to the AO forum. At the same time upgrade the forum a bit. Anyone else have any comments or suggestions.
If you read the linked thread this was discussed.
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My apologies, I think I was apart of that discussion when it happened but I forgot if that exact point was discussed. As for right now I can't seem to access that link, don't know if the problem is on my end or yours.
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My apologies, I think I was apart of that discussion when it happened but I forgot if that exact point was discussed. As for right now I can't seem to access that link, don't know if the problem is on my end or yours.

I cannot access the link either.
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Where are the event listings? There are a few, but not many.
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I believe this is the link/thread Kishi was referring to: http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/sh...php?t=52439%94
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Not sure why the link didn't work, but this is it.

http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=52439
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The only suggestion I would have here is to kill/neuter the facebook page. I mean either shutting it down completely or having it to the point where you can not post but just have links to the AO forum. At the same time upgrade the forum a bit. Anyone else have any comments or suggestions.
I actually agree with you to some extent, but all this will really do in the end is cause someone else will put up another facebook page to replace it.

I think the solution can largely be solved and summed up as this:

1. AO used to be the hub for all airsoft games in Ohio. For AO to remain relevant, it needs to become so again. This means unifying lots of fields in Ohio under single standards of rules. They don't all have to be the same, but they should all be easily understandable. For instance: there is an issue of Joule creep, and that certain guns can be velocity adjusted in rapidly in the field. There are simple, easy solutions to both of these problems: require tournament locks on air tanks, and chrono with the heaviest bbs commercially available. These are just to ideas that would instantly, and relatively cheaply, solve both problems.
Years ago there was an idea to put games into easily identifiable brackets that would have certain rulesets, so that new players wouldn't be confused.
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"Milsim" would be ammo capacity limited. 550fps sniper rifles. Stricter medic rules, stuff like that.
"Semi-Milsim" would be similar except slightly looser
"Open/relaxed" would be very unrestricted, barring velocity rules for safety, etc.
This idea would work well, would be easy to implement and make it easier for new players to understand, as well as helping to minimize the amount of "ignorance" of the rules that all new players get. Lets be honest, nobody pays attention at half an hour long safety and rules briefings.
So far as I know, this was never implemented.


2. AO needs to become a community again, and it needs to be able to sustain growth and new members. This doesn't mean opening the floodgates to a cesspool, but it does mean adjusting and adapting to the times. I believe one of the forums biggest failings is that we are not really noob-friendly. We have largely allowed people who have been around longer to bully new people. A certain amount of hazing is ok, outright bullying is not.


3. Facelift. We need a forum software update and upgrade. A new look.


4. We need to remove outdated information from the forums. If you go to the AEG forum, for example, there is a stickied thread about JG vs Echo1. This is obviously just one example, but it's a stickied thread that hasn't been really relevant for years.


5. Make this place FUN. When I started airsoft, there was no MOLLE gear, no Polarstars, no getting hit with 30bbs, just a lot of random hilarity. Somewhere along the lines this stopped being about random hilarity and started being about who has the latest gear, the coolest gun, etc.


6. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should - This one part is purely a pet peeve of mine, and may or may not be a view shared by others: I have seen a trend of people pushing to make guns fire faster and faster, both velocity wise, and rate of fire. The guns we are talking about making shoot are more than likely going to get shot at people. The odds of someone getting injured go up when the performance of the guns do. Some simple math here:

Lets assume you have an airsoft gun that fires 35 rounds per second, which most polarstars/electro-pneumatic airsoft guns can easily achieve. The average human being has a perception-reaction time of 1.5 seconds. This means that at a MINIMUM by the time a human is hit with a bb, to the time that it can react by calling a hit, your target is going to potentially be hit by 53 (rounding up from 52.5) bbs. Think about that for a second.

Another example of this is a huge, huge pet peeve of mine: In my 3 years of constant (about 10 years of on and off) airsoft, I have never, ever, ever shot anyone in the head a single time. Not once. If someone sticks their head out to look, I shoot at the building next to it. There are only a few things on the human body an airsoft bb can damage, and they're all in the head. **** happens, people get shot in the head, I understand that.

I **** you not, I was at fallen warrior as a ref/observer, walking through the town, not in a crossfire and in a wide open completely-visible area, and I was shot half a dozen times, from both teams, all in the head, on both sides. I am not ****ting you. I'm 6'3" tall with my entire body open and at least two different people unloaded on my melon. (There was also a guy that shot me in the side of the head when I stuck my head out to take a photo, but that was my fault, and he apologized about it. That is not the gentlemen I'm referencing here). If I was a new player and that happened to me, how likely am I to come back?

Nothing says "I appreciate you as a valued member of the community" like lighting up someone's head.

This story also leads into the next flaw I feel needs fixed:


7. Know your equipment and set it up properly. In the story referenced above, I'm sure that people could easily just blame that whole thing on the hopup of the gun being set wrong and write it off. NO. We're a joke to the real firearms community because we like to laugh, run around, and look cool, but we as a community have absolutely no discipline when it comes to safety and integrity. You will never be able to completely fix this, but you can help to minimize its effect.
If someone "accidentally" gets shot in the head, people will blame the hop up, or the wind, or whatever, for it hitting people.
In the real firearm world, if someone "accidentally" gets shot at the shooting range, that person is still held responsible and liable, as they should be.

If we want to become a community that is seen as professional and mature, we need to act that way. We need to stop making excuses for ignorant and ill-thought-out decisions and address issues as they arise.

I'm sure that a few business owners are reading this and are wondering why they should care about any of this, but think of it this way:


If a kid buys a gun, goes to field, and gets unloaded on in the head 50+ times in a single burst, how likely is that kid to come back and buy more stuff? The answer is simple: not likely. More than likely he's going to sell his crap to someone else, which robs you not only of repeat business, but of the next sale because of the used gun market being flooded with tons of guns.


In all honesty, all of the above can be summed up as this:

When you're out playing, take the time to socialize with people who aren't in your clique. Help each other out. Take the time to answer questions of new players. Don't make someone else's experience playing airsoft miserable. We need more people who are willing to be leaders, and less people that represent the ever-growing airsoft arms race.

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When you're out playing, take the time to socialize with people who aren't in your clique. Help each other out. Take the time to answer questions of new players. Don't make someone else's experience playing airsoft miserable. We need more people who are willing to be leaders, and less people that represent the ever-growing airsoft arms race.

I couldn't agree more, I think it honestly comes down to this. I see way too many older players making fun of, ignoring and/or not helping new players. When did this sport/hobby become about who had the best gear or gun?! When my team is at open plays we are always trying to talk to new and old players. The older airsofters normally all stick together and give you the cold shoulder and it's sad. I see why airsoft as a community is dying.

I also think the safety should be put first hand in the community. I see players (new and old) at games pointing guns at each other of themselves for selfies. They think it's funny and it's just not. They give the sport/hobby a bad name and frankly I'm tired of it.
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If you'd all take a second, to actually read my post, I've covered a lot of those things being said. This isn't a thread to talk about the problems anymore.
That was the thread I linked.
This is so we move past it. Nothing is going to change if WE don't change it.
I am one man, with my team backing me on this.
KoW is 1 out 22+ teams in Ohio that make up the community. That's not even including the fields we play at.

To have a solid community we need some organization, to which AO Community has slim to none anymore. Every field has its own rules. Every host has different roles or definitions for them.

My whole point of this was to do as I said near the end of the Original Post...
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...we should organize an AO Meeting where the leaders of the Ohio Teams, whom I have listed in a document on my computer, come together and start setting a standard for all of Ohio Airsoft games, MilSim and Open Play alike.
Maybe I'm just simple minded, but I'm frankly sick of going to games and having to figure out what role is what, and what their limitations are as far as gear and FPS/joules/etc. Maybe that's just me and my desire for simplicity...

And again, I see the lack of community as a grand issue.
I sent a link to this post via Facebook to just about every airsofter in Ohio that I know. I got positive responses from just about everybody, which was the opposite of what I expected.

So where do we start?

Well how do we build a community if we don't even know who the community is?
How do we build a legacy and make AO memorable if we don't give them something outstanding to remember, if we don't teach them how we make things outstanding, if we aren't promoting all local stores in Ohio?

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I also think the safety should be put first hand in the community.
I grandly agree.
Let's all take a second and scroll to the top of the page.
Founded in 2001, Airsoft Ohio was built on a foundation of 3 ancient concepts.
Leadership, Safety, Knowledge.
I see little leadership today. Of course teams have leaders, and events have a CoC, but where is the actual leadership? Where do we lead Ohio as a community?
I see very little safety as well. Barrels aren't being pointed down, rather they are frequently flung around, and often pointed at others in jest while in staging areas. "Back on my day", these things would get you scorned at best, if not thrown off the Area of Operations.
Knowledge? As I said in my OP, knowledge seems limited and those who possess it seem to not share it. I've had the pleasure of being guided by a few individuals, who I named in my first post, and for that I am grateful. However, I've seen some who wouldn't as openly share that knowledge.

We need to get down to basics here.
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I'm going to make this short. I'm fairly new to Airsoft and
A squire for KoW. The info that I have gotten from other players has been priceless. I'd like to thank all the Knights fo there help. It would be nice if AO could be a central hub of positive information .Facebook is fine for drama. I want to know about Airsoft. I want to know when events are being held.
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The actual AO page (this one) is a lot easier to see who is coming to what event. It's nice to have a calendar-based option to see what all is coming up and who is going to be there (or not be there). I think the Facebook page is just the easiest route for discussion and assistance, since everyone is typically on their phone and Facebook anyway.
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If you'd all take a second, to actually read my post, I've covered a lot of those things being said. This isn't a thread to talk about the problems anymore.
I actually did read your post. The problem with this is that the problems still exist, and you cannot talk about making AO better without specifically addressing the problems.

Think of AO like an engine in a car, if a cylinder misfires, and you know what's wrong with it, it's easy to fix. You just fix the cylinder and move forward. Talking about fixing the engine without trying to even discuss and figure out what's wrong with it (as a group) will neither solve the engine not running right, nor make anyone feel better. I understand that you are probably just trying to keep this thread from descending into ***** fests.

How you fix AO is to make people want to be here again, to make AO relevant. You grow it through discussion and evolution. Ideas from a single point of view will solve nothing.

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Maybe I'm just simple minded, but I'm frankly sick of going to games and having to figure out what role is what, and what their limitations are as far as gear and FPS/joules/etc. Maybe that's just me and my desire for simplicity...
Yeah, this was addressed in point 1 of my post above.

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Leadership, Safety, Knowledge.
I see little leadership today. Of course teams have leaders, and events have a CoC, but where is the actual leadership? Where do we lead Ohio as a community?
This was referenced in points 6 and 7 above.


I think your idea of gathering teams is admirable, but if you are looking to standardize rules then you need to gather the field owners. Teams ultimately can't change squat if the field owners don't want to. It was field owners than deviated from standardized AO rules in the first place, and it's the field owners that need to get back to them to fix that issue.

I do like the idea, but I think it should encompass far more people than just team captains. It should be players, field owners, leaders of the community, anyone that wanted to help. I am going to be blunt with you: I 've never put much stock in teams. Of all of the teams that were around when I started playing airsoft, I think 1 single one is left: The Strikers. I have literally seen hundreds, if not thousands of teams come and go while I was on these forums.

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I actually did read your post. The problem with this is that the problems still exist, and you cannot talk about making AO better without specifically addressing the problems.

Think of AO like an engine in a car, if a cylinder misfires, and you know what's wrong with it, it's easy to fix. You just fix the cylinder and move forward. Talking about fixing the engine without trying to even discuss and figure out what's wrong with it (as a group) will neither solve the engine not running right, nor make anyone feel better. I understand that you are probably just trying to keep this thread from descending into ***** fests.

How you fix AO is to make people want to be here again, to make AO relevant. You grow it through discussion and evolution. Ideas from a single point of view will solve nothing.
Pretty good analogy. Quick question, how long has this site remained unchanged? Such as design, layout, etc. I think maybe if the design was updated a bit it MAY draw more people back in. But it also may not. Never know until you try it.
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Pretty good analogy. Quick question, how long has this site remained unchanged? Such as design, layout, etc. I think maybe if the design was updated a bit it MAY draw more people back in. But it also may not. Never know until you try it.
I couldn't tell you exactly how long it's been like this, but I believe it was around 2004-2005 that we went to this format.

Updating the appearance alone will not fix the problem.
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Layout is about first impressions -- Making it pretty isn't going to make people want to be here again; It'll be old again in a week, after all.

Content is king -- I joined here because it was the place to keep track of events, and who's going to be at them. Everything else was secondary to that.

Events is also what I think facebook does really poorly; Trying to track down information about what events are happening in the next two weeks leaves me feeling like I've probably missed options. Fortunately, most EOs still update this page.
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A really easy to implement idea, and I think they tried it once and it slacked off, have only links to event listings posted on FB to here. The calendar on here, as out of date as this BB is, is still easier to manage and see what events are going on than it is on FB. The big issue is the approval of events queue. I feel that was why the link only idea failed. EO's and field owners found it quicker to get their events posted if they just did it themselves on FB without having to wait for an admin to log in, check it out and eventually make it live.

I know this is only a small problem to address in the whole scope of things and the topic at hand, but it is a start to improve the traffic here and make info easier to get. Baby steps.

Forgive my brevity or grammar mistakes. On my phone during lunch break at work.
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Whilst I've never been big on AO, I have used it since about 2012 to track local events for matches and whatnot as well as scanning the sell/buy/trade area of the site, so I've been around, just not publicly. Been playing off and on since then as well, and I am following the Facebook group as well. I think I'd like to offer my opinions in this discussion.

I think the first goal should be to get in touch with as many of the field owners/coordinators as possible and begin work on a standard for the airsoft community in at least this state. As previously suggested, very distinct and non-negotiable match types should/need to be put in place, and the field owners/coordinators need to want to be involved. There needs to be some sort of standard put in place to make sure that everyone knows what they're getting into when going to a match, and no one should be finding things out the day of the game. It has never failed that there is always a group of people who are either totally unprepared for the match (i.e. wrong mag type, wrong fps, no BDU that matches to a team, etc...) and the ensuing confusion typically causes a generally poor experience for all involved.

This forum/site should/needs to be the hub for all things airsoft in Ohio (airsoftohio.com, I mean, isn't that obvious). I think once the field owners/coordinators get more involved again, we need to work on the calendar here on site. Many of the events are going to Facebook, but many don't use it and many would prefer it come here instead, or at least be featured on both (me included). The calendar needs updated regularly, and I would personally like to see matches planned in advance more often and put on the calendar possibly months in advance. I, honestly, am a little tired of discovering and preparing for matches on a week or two in advance mostly. For the past while, I have only seen events for the coming weeks, up to the end of the next month, maybe.

Personally, I believe the website is in need of a major UI overhaul. Yes, it's aesthetic, and no it alone will not keep people coming to the website, but it is all about first impressions, and if the website had a sleeker design, a little bit simpler functionality and just a bit of an update, new users may be more inclined to visit here instead of stick to Facebook only. Following a similar design to www.computerforum.com would be my personal suggestion for improvements to the UI and general design of the website for a user friendly look.

As already mentioned, the events/calendar section of this website is what has always been the big draw. We need to see when events are, in a timely manner, have access to the field rules, safety information, waivers, directions, general field features and who is going and who isn't and what team they will be on and so on. I think this has to happen to really breathe some life back into the site.

Whilst the Facebook page is great for community, it is not great for scheduling events, keeping track of events or accessing the field rules and so on. I find the better use for the Facebook group would be to post the events (linking to here), and then selling/trading/buying of gear/weapons, planning team startups, asking gear/weapon questions, and general fun conversation to keep the group together on the go. As mentioned before, Facebook was a nice option, everyone typically has their phone and access to Facebook, and it's great for community and quick access to keep up, but this website needs to be the main source for events and event planning first and foremost.

Sorry if this is a bit long-winded, just wanted to voice my thoughts. I appreciate the initiative that Kishi is taking here, as well as everyone else to get the site back in shape.
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A really easy to implement idea, and I think they tried it once and it slacked off, have only links to event listings posted on FB to here.
Yes, and actually this is something that my team has committed to.
Any open plays or mini/full MilSim OPs we plan will only be posted here. All Facebook posts about it will be a link to somewhere on AO.

Loki, your metaphor of the engine is great, I'll admit. My point here however is that we're trying to run an engine with a broken transmission, which in my experience can be a costly and tedious pain to fix. Best solution when my Taurus blew it's transmission was scrap it and but a "new" car.

Now, I'm not saying we scrap AO or AO Facebook, but we need to do something.
I'll even tag along and say you did address some of the things I pointed out, undoubtedly.
One thing I haven't gotten around to yet, because I didn't feel as though we were ready, is the fields and field owners.

"Kishi, why wouldn't that be the FIRST place to start?"

Well I'm glad you asked, and I'll be glad to tell you.

We have a LOT of fields, both indoor and outdoor, in Ohio. Many of them spread across the state.
They all have different insurance policies allowing them only certain limitations, and based on their income they can only accomadate certain aspects. I completely understand that.
Now, as far as setting the standard and asking field owners to allow these standards, well...
What standards do we want? The teams need to come together as a community and form standards, then bring them to each field and ask if it's within their power and/or budget to accommodate said standards.

The issue is, we don't have much in the department of standards to begin with.


In closing, I would like to propose that without addressing any issues directly on this thread, perhaps in another as they definitely need to be addressed whether fixing a spark plug or junking the car, we start forming this AO meeting.

My idea is that we break the state of Ohio into regions.
NorthWest Ohio, NorthEast Ohio, Central Ohio, Southern Ohio.
To me, that's kinda how the community is best divided.

Each "region" would have team leaders meet and decide a standard for what they want to see as an Ohio Standard. What people will expect from any Ohio game. Period. This may include but is not limited to the following:
FPS/Joules/Etc limits
Classes/Roles
Medic rules
Point systems for games/OPs

These things would be sent with a region representative to a state level.
Then brought back down and voted on.

This is just my idea, and I would like to see more people involved in this thread.
Specifically Jonah, Blade, and some others.
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Sorry if this is a bit long-winded, just wanted to voice my thoughts. I appreciate the initiative that Kishi is taking here, as well as everyone else to get the site back in shape.
I agree with a lot of your post and thank you for your lengthy response.
As much as I go "ughhhhhh" when I see a long response, in truth, I prefer it, because it means that you've probably got some experience in this and really put some thought into it.
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Good thread! Keep this going!!

In case I need to introduce myself, I am the white hair old Asian who randomly showed up to airsoft games, randomly started hosting events, and randomly happen to ran across some like-minded fellows who co-founded AirsoftOhio with me. Ohhh that was like, what, 2001?

My objective is very similar, to recreate the community AO once was. However in this day and age, I think we need to link real-life airsoft to the online community, in order to avoid a lot of pitfall in the past. If all the stars line up and money is no object, here is what I would do:

1. Forum software upgrade to the latest revisions. (I will pay for it.)

2. Create an Ohio ID card. It will have a RFID built into it for future gameplay implementations, field admin simplification, etc. It will also have your photo etc. on it. We can provide a Velcro / MOLLE pouch to attach the ID to your plate carrier. I will also fund the ID cards. (This is not new - we've talked about this many years ago, but without any financial backing, and the cost of technology back then, it wasn't feasible. But it is now!)

3. The only way to get an ID is either you SHOW UP to an AO event (any event hosted by long-term, supporting AO event host) or vetted by a moderator. For this I will need helps from the event hosts and local businesses.

4. The Ohio ID card holders enjoy additional benefits since those are the users who truly support the community by participating in local events, as well as showing their true faces in front of your peers. (Anonymity tends to breed rule-breaking [insert derogatory terms].)

5. Additional ID Card holder benefits may include free classifieds posts, custom avatars, discount from supporting vendors, etc. On the flip side, random players who, let's say, just want to sell some guns and never been seen again, will have to pay a small fee to list on the classifieds. This could potentially be used to fund future AO software upgrades, etc.

6. Create a new nominating and voting system for moderators. More detail to be discussed. There should also be some sort of "terms" for moderators, that one is required to be rotated out after how many year(s). This I feel is necessary because I want to grow new but trustworthy players to become future pillars of the sport.

7. Create a new user group for authorized event hosts, so vetted organizers can easily engage the community with upcoming games.

8. Create a leadership program where veteran players would help lead and educate new players. Leadership program participation may be a prerequisite for moderator nomination.

9. Create AO honor patches where admirable behaviors will be rewarded. We've been doing something like this with American Milsim for over 2 years, and EliteForce started their own Honor Patch system as well. I feel the concept can be expanded to smaller, local communities like AO.

Actually before all that we should define a set of Core Values for AO too. These will be the foundation upon which this community can be built upon.

The questions I would post are as follow:

1. Do we start fresh - i.e. delete all user accounts and start from scratch?
2. In similar token, is there enough relevant information in the forum that warrants keeping the old data, or should we delete all previous forum post too? i.e. is the information in the forum dated and no longer applicable?

Finally, I will also assure everyone that we HAVE the ability and willingness to actually put the plan in action. This will not be just another "oh let's do that" and we sit on it thread. At the very least we will move AO to a new server with the latest software. For that I am looking for volunteer webmaster who can help with the transition.

Comments are definitely welcome! Let's hear them!



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I would say scratch the whole thing and start with a fresh face, but the amount of info on here that is useful (that frankly needs to be used more) is something we would lose. Especially past event history and stories made for new milsims/events.

As the recent Red Dragon host, I totally agree with the 4,7,8, and 9.
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Now that is stepping up Wallace!!! High 5 and 'man hug' to you!

I like all of it, even the ID cards, but I think that ID card thing, unless completely thought through before implementation, is going to be a tempest in a teacup. The details of getting the cards, how they are used, (linking them to every game where you can swipe in for registration, or at least forwarding the info that an ID member was even at a game, etc. etc.) would take soooo much work, that would almost be a full time job in and of itself. I would save that particular proposition for last. Don't forget, we have some members who for whatever reason, are still active in the community from time to time, but are now living out of Ohio. They have useful info, insight, and even get back to ohio occasionally to play. We also have fields that are considered part of the Ohio network of regular use field, but are technically in other states, like WV and PA. There is a TON of detail to be gone over and worked out. I would be happy to volunteer to join any committees that are formed for the development of the AO community.

As for the rest of it, Hooyah!! Love it. My opinion (for what it's worth), I like the start fresh, BUT, keep the majority of the data from this site as a read only. I get inspiration from reading AAR's for older events when another in a series is coming up. With the upcoming Bioshock this Oct., I went back, wayyyy back, and read about the previous games to find out more of what it's about, how it was run, what the players thought, etc. etc. Keeping this forum as a read-only would be a good thing.

Also, no matter how much we hate or like the idea, now that AO is on Facebook, it's NOT going to go away. We need to come up with feasible ideas to integrate the two together to compliment each other. We have active members of the community that are on both sides of the fence, those who only get their info here on the forum and don't even use Facebook, and the opposite (which tend to be the newer players IMO) who are only getting their info on FB.

Wallace, since you are one of the original founders of the AO community, what do you think of finding a group of folks to form a 'restructure group', and having a get together/pow wow centrally located, and have a meeting of the minds. I'm not talking a 'get together for a dinner and a few beers while we hit some points', but an honest to goodness full day/weekend and have an agenda, hammer out some ideas, and get some work started. IMO, the group should consist of EO's, field owners, airsoft business owners, web savy folks who will be working on the site and any extra IT stuffs (the future ID cards for example) and a few members of the community that are recognized as leaders/veterans that set a good example to represent the players stake.


I'm excited as hell at the thought of this finally coming to fruition after seeing it just talked about over and over the last couple years!!
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1. I think we need to ensure that the younger players are coached not made to be the weekly laughing stock.
2. A face lift is needed I have a couple of friends who are code monkeys I can discuss with them and see if they can update the page but I think it would be better for someone in the AO community to do it.
3. Grammar is important but I think it has become too focused. I am not saying lets go to "swag YOLO lolz ive gotz maneez airsoof pews" but I think we need to relax and again COACH.
4. A way to get more people on the forums is when you see a player on the field and you end up running with them for a game then say "hey meet me on the forums I am PEWOPERATOR98" and I can meet up with you there this will foster a community.
5. I love the Idea of getting a new website and the cards sounds great.

side note I understand another issue being that there is a shortage of moderators if the website is looking for someone to be a moderator I am willing to volunteer.
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