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After reading Wallace's post fully and thoroughly, I have to say I completely agree with the service structure.
I hope to attend the next AO Reform meeting.
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Might I suggest adding a "locked" forum under the "MAIN" category?
Strictly for minutes of the AO Reform meetings?
This would provide ease of access to read them and keep up to date on the happenings on the reform.
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I want to bring this back up as I feel like my last post would be very helpful for the community/user to easily find the happenings of these meetings and what direction the community is going.
Perhaps if these things were more visible for people it would entice others to "join the cause" per say.

That being said, I am also wondering if/when the next reform meeting will be.
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Honestly I've not read the entirety of this thread. That being said the Airsoft Indiana forums are having similar issues because of similar reasons. One thing we do (that was already brought up) was to hold community meetings. We have these AI community meetings every 6 months or at least once a year. They usual take place in central Indiana at a restaurant that can hold a large group (sometimes we rent a private room) so that many can attend. Anyone who would like to attend the meeting may do so, Admin/Mod staff is highly recommended to attend and help moderate the meetings. And usually before we have the meeting we discuss in a thread what the topics of discussion will be for said meeting, anything that the community feels important enough to discuss.

These community meetings do a few things to help us out. Firstly it helps to bring everyone together and lets everyone have a voice in matters. It also helps those in attendance to understand how or why things are done the way they are. And because it's all done in person you don't typically have to deal with "internet personalities" and drama is almost non existent. Putting names with faces that you may not yet know or only recognize in their gear. It gives everyone who bothered to show up a chance to speak out on issues they feel need addressed. And the last thing I will mention is food, because food is a pretty good reason for this too.

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Old 11-13-2015, 05:57 PM
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Not having been on the scene for a while, my one major question is this: Has the sport decreased considerably in the state? Would that help explain why AO is no longer kicking like it used to? I understand that facebook is a problem, I do not have one myself. Just wondering if the sport itself is disappearing. To give a reference point, I was pretty active between '07-11. Can anybody who was active then give me an idea of event attendance now compared to that time? It's just sad to see the 3 events in the upcoming events section. I got on here to check if there were any games scheduled around Thanksgiving, as I have a buddy that I used to play with coming home from college then. Unfortunately it looks like I am out of luck.

On a side note. I checked out Airsoft Retreat and that place is dead also. The 10th thread down on the AEG Discussion II forum has a latest post of June 24, 2014. I remember when threads would disappear off the first page in a couple days or less.
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To some extend I think the way information is distributed has changed, as well as, to some extent, the players themselves.

The guns and gear change so fast anymore that a lot of information put on the boards seems to be obsolete in short order, and the amount of people trying to work on their own guns has gone down as well.

If you go back and read some of the older threads, a lot of them were "what gun is best," "how much does x gun cost," etc threads anyway.

I honestly think that Facebook has become the preferred method of communication because it's fast and easy, despite the fact that the way the information is relayed is terrible. A "thread" posted in Facebook can be buried very easily in less than a day, which makes it extremely frustrating to try and locate later.

The forums need to be turned into an information repository, and a place where you can post events. The days of "LOL" threads being posted on AO seem to be, for the most part, over.
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Old 11-23-2015, 11:09 AM
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It is really encouraging to see that you all are working at making AO and the overall airsoft community in Ohio better.

I feel like I am somewhat of an outsider when it comes to AO and can offer an outsiders view.

I came on the scene in late 2010 when my 3 sons got involved with Airsoft. I decided to start a field at that time and my research of course led me to AO. I didn't know anyone on the forums let alone anyone involved with the day to day management of AO. If I am being honest with you AO was a very intimidating place for an outsider to be. The community was definitely not a place for someone new to the sport. I am a confident, successful man, but even I was very hesitant to put myself out there on AO.

That being said this place had a wealth of very valuable information, and there were certainly many people in the community that seemed to be very helpful to the newer players / members. But there also seemed to be an elitist boys club that trolled thru the forums waiting to pounce on some poor, unsuspecting teenager who just purchased his first Walmart springer.

Fortunately some of the negatives aspects of AO seems to have been corrected at this point which I would assume is the result of the hard work of many of you on this thread.

As an encouragement to you all....Airsoft Ohio is a needed, and very valuable tool. Airsoft in Ohio will benefit from AO if a strong, focused group of individuals that realize that in order to grow this sport we need to welcome and train newer players. Regardless of age, skill level, location, or income level new players need to be welcomed and treated with respect. If AO and it's managers operate with a core set of values and operating procedures I know that it has the potential to be a centerpiece to a strong and active airsoft community and industry here in Ohio.

I don't want to input my $0.02 in this thread without offering to help in anyway that I can. So if there is anything I can do don't hesitate to ask.

I would also love to get the field owners of Ohio to work together to help establish some guidelines / rule sets etc. In order for the industry to thrive and grow in Ohio there needs to be multiple well organized, safe, professionally operated fields throughout the state.
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Old 11-23-2015, 05:48 PM
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I have taken full advantage of AO in the past mostly because it doesn't seem to really have a component for Field and store owner to connect to airsofters and/or future airsofters. Please correct me if i am missing any of theses items being on the site. I am writing this from the prospective of a field owner not a player. I think its just as important for field owners to be able to easily accessible through AO and anything.

1) State map laying out where all insured and state registered Fields are located.
2) A database of some sort with contact info for field owners (even its just an email)
3) Streamlining the Event listing on the calendar (myself i have given up trying at this point)

I know its not much. but I think its all crucial to Fields being able to help grow the sport. I think AO is a very important tool for both Players and Fields and we need to work together.

I didn't read the entire thread i admit but did read alot of it. One thing mentioned is AO ID cards. I would support this idea at both my fields as long as its implemented and managed correctly. I would even offer discounts to AO members with ID cards. I think starting from scratch has some benefits such as cleaning out a lot of threads that are no longer pertinent. I know I have gotten some negative backlash due to some posts about a field I took over that were old but a potential new airsofter found it and just made assumptions. I know there is some very useful info on AO but I find the un-useful info far out weights the current and pertinent info. My questions as far as this goes is this. there there away to drop old threads off rather then a clean slate, same for members is there a way to drop people that have been inactive for xx amount of time/years even?
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Old 11-23-2015, 09:41 PM
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Still going, eh? Wallace, its crazy to see you post this much. In 9 years of AO for me, I've seen that maybe as many times as I can count on one hand. :P

Good thread, guys. Hope to see AO thrive once more.
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So what can we do to help this move forward?
I know it needs funding. Should we host a fundraiser event for it?
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1. I think we need to ensure that the younger players are coached not made to be the weekly laughing stock.
2. A face lift is needed I have a couple of friends who are code monkeys I can discuss with them and see if they can update the page but I think it would be better for someone in the AO community to do it.
3. Grammar is important but I think it has become too focused. I am not saying lets go to "swag YOLO lolz ive gotz maneez airsoof pews" but I think we need to relax and again COACH.
4. A way to get more people on the forums is when you see a player on the field and you end up running with them for a game then say "hey meet me on the forums I am PEWOPERATOR98" and I can meet up with you there this will foster a community.
5. I love the Idea of getting a new website and the cards sounds great.

side note I understand another issue being that there is a shortage of moderators if the website is looking for someone to be a moderator I am willing to volunteer.
You mentioned about having someone within the community code the site, I know HTML, CSS, currently learning Javascript and PHP (those who dont know what I'm talking about, all these are needed to run a website) and am willing to help work on the site, though I will need help. Just thought I get this out there since we are talking about it.

EDIT: I didn't realize how long ago that was, still willing to help, but sorry for quoting something so long ago.

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The lack of Money, while a problem is not THE problem. Lack of community participation is.

A forum cannot function effectively without members, and right now there are few that still use the forums. Airsoft has grown so much that (as Evil Head pointed out in another thread) a lot of the information on AirsoftOhio is obsolete, and the forums don't really have a function or direction aside from event posting, and even that is somewhat fleeting due to Facebook.

Having gone to a few events and seen how the game is currently played, I think AO would best be served by reforming it, giving it a new mission and purpose, and making people want to be a part of it. All of this takes time and effort.

If it was my website, and my decision, the first thing I would do would be to archive nearly everything here. Then I would create a series of videos to attract new players and expand the userbase: How to use cover, how to work on your guns, how to use radios etc. Written articles don't appeal to the current generation.

The forum would then become a place for the people that still enjoy reading and thinking, while the videos would largely serve the short attention span folks.

The forums would also contain the event listings, team maps, field listings, etc. Retailers would be able to post their deals in their section, as well as pay to sponsor the forum, or maybe give forum users deals for having an active account on the forums, etc.


Now, right now as it stands, AO has old data, no user base, and no direction to go. Could it get turned around? Absolutely, but it will take a lot of (volunteer) work by a lot of people to make it happen, and right now all we have is a lot of "Verba" and very little "Acta" which includes myself as well.

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I'm willing to do things, but I don't run the site in any way, so I wouldn't even know where to begin.
My team had a meeting over the weekend. During this meeting we spent a good amount of time discussing this topic, mainly because they wanted to start putting our events on Facebook which we've not done, because we wanted to try making people come to AO for info on our games
Anyways, we decided to start posting our events on Facebook because of the simple accessibility of it.
A lot of the mechanics that Facebook uses are actually helpful, and like my one member said, "People check their Facebook pages everyday. If a friend attends an event, they get a notification about it."
In the same respect he also added that going to AO is sort of an extra step for Joe Schmo players who just want pew pews.

So anyways, we're going to keep linking the events to the details that we'll post here, and promote this AO website during briefings and such.

I'll have to re-read everything in this thread to try thinking about what things I can actually help with, but I don't want to see this die.
There's no reason, Facebook included, that we should let die the "Glory Days" while AO dwindles down to merely a calendar / database for Airsoft.
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So, I'm going to throw in my two cents because we want community involvement, being a newer player, I had to find videos and articles on what to do. If we had a page in this site that did this, it would help new guys IMMENSELY. It would also be cool to put up a page for beginners to see what items the community recommends they get, what stores are nearby and other things that would be good. Another thing that I found hard was field information. I often have a hard time finding maps of the fields in Ohio, and a page might be good for just field info. Just thought I'd say this, though I bet its all been said.
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Hicks, you are going along with what Loki mentioned 1 post above you.

the main problem as it stands is having the human resources to get the job done. We simply don't have coders and graphic designers will to work on the website without having to pay them with money we don't even have.

Any coders/designers out there willing to help this community? Feel free to come forward.
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There's no reason, Facebook included, that we should let die the "Glory Days" while AO dwindles down to merely a calendar / database for Airsoft.
Unless I've missed something, this has already happened....
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Hicks, you are going along with what Loki mentioned 1 post above you.

the main problem as it stands is having the human resources to get the job done. We simply don't have coders and graphic designers will to work on the website without having to pay them with money we don't even have.

Any coders/designers out there willing to help this community? Feel free to come forward.
I am actually a coder, I can help, and the things I mentioned are actually easy.
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I have been thinking a lot about this topic in recent weeks. Like Loose mentioned, I too was very active in airsoft from 07-13. I never really got out of the sport in the years following, but I played a lot less(due to college and grad school). Recently, I have experienced a bit of an airsoft resurgence and have started to play more frequently(due mainly to the fact that my younger brothers are getting into the sport). I have rekindled my love for airsoft.
Getting back into it has been interesting to say the least. Mainly due to the rise of the Facebook era and the decline of the AO era. As it has been stated before, FB has led to disunity and a lack of a central hub. It's often hard to find events to attend because a person has to go to multiple pages to find all the events that are posted on specific days.

I decided to begin to promote airsoftohio.com on Facebook and so far there has been some interesting information that has surfaced.
First, there seems to be a desire for an upgraded platform(as stated above).
Here is a quote from someone who commented on my fb post:

"Therein lies the problems. Nobody will use it if it isn't updated, and no updates will be done if it isn't used. frown emoticon AO forum, in my opinion, was a much better venue for event listings and the like (although an update to that would be great to go with how events have evolved rececently), AAR threads were actually a thing, and believe it or not, helped get games to where they are now...it was one stop shopping so to speak for airsoft in Ohio. Now, I have to sub to 4+ different groups, and to many field pages, just to get updated on what I used to be able to do by clicking on just a couple of pages on the AO forum. FB has some features I really like, but it's gotten to be too much of a PITA to keep track of it all..especially if there is something I saw on my phone at work and wanted to read it later at home....yeah..good luck finding that again once you get home!!!

"Color and layout is all cosmetic really. What I would like to see get a serious overhaul would be the event calendar. Right now, it's two sides or not going. Games have evolved far past the green vs. tan games. There is so much more that can be done with it if it were updated. smile emoticon. I Believe a few pages back, Wallace volunteered to fund a change, meetings were attempted to get the ball rolling, then crickets. I will make time to attend any meetings to help get things rolling again. There was a large group of people that represented different aspects to discuss changes, but with any large group, it's hard to get them all together at the same time. Perhaps we get the core needed, get things going, and address the non vital aspects when time permits for those folks to contribute?"

This guy seems to be voicing some viable concerns for the sight going forward(considering the "instant" culture we live in). I always thought that the internet was a quick way to get information since the start, I never once expected it to become even faster and more instantaneous. People seem to want information in a matter of seconds, not just minutes.
So, there seems to be a desire for some change and updates to the website(specifically the calendar) and it sounds like there were some attempts in the past. What was the hold up? Was there a road block?

I have two ideas to maybe take all of these ideas and aspirations a little further:

1. In light of the first "reforming meeting," We organize another legitimate meeting of a few willing members of the community including vets, team leaders, event organizers, field owners, and some new players(try to get different perspectives). In this meeting we would discuss ideas for change; focusing specifically on funding and building unity. People would NEED to commit to this and actually follow through. Even if it was 5-10 people, we could get something done! There was not much follow up from the first attempt.

2. We talk to every event organizer and field owner in Ohio and rally them for the cause of AO. I would love to see each EO agree to stop posting their events on Facebook and only post them on AO. It would be a quick way to get some traffic back on the sight. They could even post a link no facebook(linking them to airsoftohio.com).

Thoughts?

These are just two ideas that I have thought through. I figure that they couldn't hurt, could they? The results might be incredible
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The problem is and was that there is a ****load of talk, and no action.

We had a meeting at the largest event in Ohio (Blind Fury), on a day with great weather. We had a dozenish talk about showing up. But how many actually did? ONE Jonah. That is ****ing sad.

In my opinion, whoever does this should be someone that loves the forum and the community, and does it for the right reasons. But whoever does it needs to be consistent in execution. I'm all for bringing the forums back up to speed, and if I had to pick a few people to do it, it would be Wallace or Jonah.

I realize I probably come across as a grumpy ***, and for that I apologize, but there needs to be someone that will keep this grounded in reality.
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Loki, you've stated that issue before where only a few showed up.
I was late to Blind Fury because of a speeding ticket or I would have been there.
I also tried to find out when/where exactly the meeting was happening because I didn't get to read the forums prior to leaving my house.
Nobody could tell me when it was happening until I talked to Wallace at the end who told me it had already happened.
The things that were discussed sound good, but they need to be put into action.

Blade, if we lack the manpower to do so, how do we change that?
I would be putting these things into action if I could, but I don't know where to start.
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Well guys I am all about reviving AO. I do not have a Facebook so my information sometimes is secondhand even third. I have read in this thread those boys in Indiana get together, I would recommend a location get picked and those who show up show up put faces and a little more reality into this movement. Also who ever is running the site at this moment would like to get a hold of me I know a top notch designer who owes me a favor.

The simple problem we face against the great Facebook is simply convenience. With the good dedication of the few, we can beat this temporary problem with straight quality of players, advice, and community. so lets do it?
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Where are we at on this? I'm willing to help in any way that I can, as well as my teammates. Let us know how we can assist. Also when is the next meeting?

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