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Old 10-23-2015, 10:02 AM
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Nurturing the good crop

As many of you know, there have been several discussions in the community over the last few weeks and months regarding engagement, ways to revitalize our community, bring newer players into the hobby without creating a sense of us versus them etc.

That being said I would like to take a few moments to highlight some of the positives that we have in our community lest we find ourselves obsessively focused on the negative and remind ourselves why we love this hobby and how the people in it come together for amazing things.

Teams like CY6, OSU Airsoft, Blizzard, ATLAS and many more to mention over the last year helped us (OOBI) teach and mentor players at our training events. Raymond Pfeffer​, Charles Russ​, Andrew Link​ and the DP crew run their opens in a way that teaches introductory milsim play in a non-threatening and fun way. Evan Bloss​ making a lot of changes at FW to help newer players grow and change the culture of the sport. Francois Crepeau​ for hosting his comsims to give players a taste of a higher level of play. As with the teams, the list goes on and on.

We have a strong community, and yes we do have work. It is my opinion that rather than trying to return to the "glory days" which were in fact glorious, we forge ahead to create a new age for players consistent with the values and protocols that we were brought up in. There is so much going on in our community that I feel gets overlooked and I wanted to take a few moments to highlight the very real good that people are undertaking.

The future of airsoft in Ohio will be what we make it. Plain and simple. I worry like many of you do about a decline from what we knew, but I for one will continue to do what I can to teach and train a new generation of player to love and respect this hobby in the same way I was shown by leaders of the community when I joined.

To those of us who are looked up to in Ohio Airsoft I will leave you with a quote from my favorite great terrible movie (book so much better) j "We're the old men now Ace" -John Rico, Starship Troopers.
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Old 10-23-2015, 10:35 AM
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As many of you know, there have been several discussions in the community over the last few weeks and months regarding engagement, ways to revitalize our community, bring newer players into the hobby without creating a sense of us versus them etc.

That being said I would like to take a few moments to highlight some of the positives that we have in our community lest we find ourselves obsessively focused on the negative and remind ourselves why we love this hobby and how the people in it come together for amazing things.

Teams like CY6, OSU Airsoft, Blizzard, ATLAS and many more to mention over the last year helped us (OOBI) teach and mentor players at our training events. Raymond Pfeffer​, Charles Russ​, Andrew Link​ and the DP crew run their opens in a way that teaches introductory milsim play in a non-threatening and fun way. Evan Bloss​ making a lot of changes at FW to help newer players grow and change the culture of the sport. Francois Crepeau​ for hosting his comsims to give players a taste of a higher level of play. As with the teams, the list goes on and on.

We have a strong community, and yes we do have work. It is my opinion that rather than trying to return to the "glory days" which were in fact glorious, we forge ahead to create a new age for players consistent with the values and protocols that we were brought up in. There is so much going on in our community that I feel gets overlooked and I wanted to take a few moments to highlight the very real good that people are undertaking.

The future of airsoft in Ohio will be what we make it. Plain and simple. I worry like many of you do about a decline from what we knew, but I for one will continue to do what I can to teach and train a new generation of player to love and respect this hobby in the same way I was shown by leaders of the community when I joined.

To those of us who are looked up to in Ohio Airsoft I will leave you with a quote from my favorite great terrible movie (book so much better) j "We're the old men now Ace" -John Rico, Starship Troopers.
You are right: The book was much, much, much better.

Honestly, to me, gear doesn't matter, the guns don't matter, none of the stuff that seems to be important these days seems very important to me. I had more fun with armbands and ludicrously ambiguous rules than super strict ones. I've been to two Irenes, and barring the locations of the games, they weren't that exciting. I had much much more fun at Fran Bar back in the day.

I think the best way we can move forward is nurture a sense of community, and bring integrity back to the forefront of the game. Replace the current trend of guns and gear being important with more of a meet and greet style of game play. Make people WANT to know the people they play with.
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Old 10-23-2015, 03:12 PM
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Old 10-24-2015, 11:06 AM
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My team does our best to run MilSim oriented games for our open plays.
We set rules, have teams, missions, FPS limits, MEDs, roles, etc.

As I said on your FaceBook post, I wish I could be more active right now but life is coming at me fast and I'm doing my best to deal with it at the moment.
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:19 AM
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I truly thing we're beginning to head in the right direction, AO is looking far healthier now than it did at the beginning of this calendar year. Of course, it's nowhere near what it used to be or what it deserves to be, we're all working together and that makes be immensely proud to be part of this community.

I'm far too young in this sport to offer the highest quality advice nor do I have any honest idea how to fix one thing or another, but I'm definitely here to do what I can.
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Old 10-27-2015, 01:56 AM
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I had much much more fun at Fran Bar back in the day.
Hell to the yes. 100%
You could say he nailed it.
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In the spirit of actually contributing to the discussion, I can say yes, move forward. I know there is a lot of talk about updating the site etc. and all I can say to those people interested is YES. If you can pull it off and you have a solid long term solution in place, let's do it.
As for the rest of it, the real meat and potatoes of the topic. I see that the core thing is we can not change the past and right now we have to play the hand we have been dealt. A big factor here is that the community does not have a center for leadership or a common core for organization, organization comes from the leadership of teams and individuals who build, host and contribute to great events.
Perhaps AO needs a new consensus to move forward, it should be done if it comes to it. The future success of the Airsoft Ohio community from the effort of individuals. New groups of players need to emerge and create for the better of the community, and our old guard needs to build that up. (And perhaps pull out a few new tricks to get the ball rolling again.)
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You could say he nailed it.
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I think there's still somewhere to go. The worst thing we could do is stagnate and try and keep bailing water out of a sinking ship. It doesn't matter how good we are at not sinking, there's still a hole in the boat. We are making good progress to patch these holes up, and I think with effort from the community, this can be mended. There's people willing to step up and fill the holes left by former veterans of the community. That's the start. The way forward will be actually filling the holes.
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I think there's still somewhere to go. The worst thing we could do is stagnate and try and keep bailing water out of a sinking ship. It doesn't matter how good we are at not sinking, there's still a hole in the boat. We are making good progress to patch these holes up, and I think with effort from the community, this can be mended. There's people willing to step up and fill the holes left by former veterans of the community. That's the start. The way forward will be actually filling the holes.
The problem is that people in the community are largely a bunch of talkers with very few doers. We tried to have a meeting to discuss the future of AO back at Blind Fury, went out and bought $100 worth of hotdogs, buns, etc. Do you know how many showed up to talk about it? Two. That's it. Plenty of people complaining on the forums though.

But that's in the past. The questions we now face are this:

1. Is AO still relevant to modern airsoft and airsoft games?
2. If it is relevant to the modern crowd, how do we cater to them?
3. Is the modern crowd someone we actually WANT to cater to?
4. If it isn't relevant, is it worth bringing back up to speed?
5. If it isn't relevant, what do we need to do to bring it back up to speed?

Honestly, the forums these days seem to just be a vessel for listing games.
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Old 10-28-2015, 05:17 PM
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The problem is that people in the community are largely a bunch of talkers with very few doers. We tried to have a meeting to discuss the future of AO back at Blind Fury, went out and bought $100 worth of hotdogs, buns, etc. Do you know how many showed up to talk about it? Two. That's it. Plenty of people complaining on the forums though.

But that's in the past. The questions we now face are this:

1. Is AO still relevant to modern airsoft and airsoft games?
2. If it is relevant to the modern crowd, how do we cater to them?
3. Is the modern crowd someone we actually WANT to cater to?
4. If it isn't relevant, is it worth bringing back up to speed?
5. If it isn't relevant, what do we need to do to bring it back up to speed?

Honestly, the forums these days seem to just be a vessel for listing games.
I could be off the mark but I think what Panda is referring to is that there ARE already players and EO's working to change the culture and that it isn't simply a measure of the glory days being gone fare the well kind of thing.

1. Airsoft Ohio is indeed still relevant and many of our events (the community) will draw players not just from neighboring states but also several states away to enjoy what is put on.
2. The modern crowd likes facebook. Sorry to say it but it is just a reality. I prefer the forums myself but that doesn't mean that we can ignore what is staring us in the face.
3. The modern crowd is the new bedrock of the hobby regardless if we want it to be or not. By hosting events, players stepping up to mentor and basically continuing the trend from last year we are (in my opinion at least) seeing a return on that time investment.
4 and 5. Forums by a large SEEM to be an outdated mode of information dispersal. While they are centralized and don't tend to have the ADD like post rate and dissapearance that Facebook does they are slower for many and that is why they don't use them. Additionally a lot of damage was done in the past several years due to site outages as well as players taking a holier than thou attitude which turned A LOT of players away from these boards.

In short, I agree with Panda. We are seeing a shift albeit a small one and by continuing to build on what we have done I think we stand a good shot of at least bringing the passion we all had years ago back to the forefront.
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The problem is that people in the community are largely a bunch of talkers with very few doers. We tried to have a meeting to discuss the future of AO back at Blind Fury, went out and bought $100 worth of hotdogs, buns, etc. Do you know how many showed up to talk about it? Two. That's it. Plenty of people complaining on the forums though.
Hey, I tried my best to be there...
And since then, I've been trying to keep things together like my car, my job, and overall just my life. Between moving, hosting games, etc, I've had quite a lot on my plate lately.

Is AO still Modern?
I'd say the EO's definitely keep it modern.
They create rules that cater to the various gun classes, regardless of AEG/HPA/GBB/whatever.

How do you cater to them?
By putting on events and such that they want to go to. Make changes, upgrade fields, etc. Much like Blade has been doing with Hidden Springs.

Is the Modern crowd one we want to cater to?
All due respect, did you think about that question before asking it?
The modern crowd is what is going to keep this sport (or hobby based on your opinion) alive.
If you don't cater to the newer folks, how do you honestly intend to keep this sport/hobby alive without numbers massively dwindling down?
I'll tell you what, there are a scarce number of players and EO's from when I use to play back in my Recon Team Anaconda days, when a certain person who isn't in the community anymore was around.
Things have changed and adapted in airsoft VERY MUCH since then.
YOU'VE GOT TO CATER

If it isn't relevant, is it worth bringing back up to speed?
I think I answered this... but in case I wasn't clear I shall reiterate.
Let's, for whatever sake, say that it isn't relevant. The worth lies in the vitality of the sport.

5. If it isn't relevant, what do we need to do to bring it back up to speed?
Well, that's the question we've all been asking isn't it?
I believe there has been various threads discussing this matter...
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Next question: What do you define as the "good" crowd?
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Well that's a a question that will only have pretty opinionated answers...

In my personal view, a "good" crowd would be one that shows up, timely.
Plays by the rules, and has fun.
It's not based on whether they win, or how many kills they got, or how well they do recon, etc.
It's all about attitude.
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The good crowd is the group that wants to play airsoft. We need to make sure there's something worth wanting. The community is smaller, so many we need to take it back to before "the glory days" and see what got people into the game and start doing that.
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Honestly, I see a small crowd as a way to change...to make AO better than it was, better than it is.
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Loki when I posted this the good crop title was more in juxtaposition to weeding out the bad crop . At all the games I've run this year as well as played in there have been minimal issues with players. While things like inadvertent no hit calling or occasional temper flares will always happen the community as a whole has done a vastly better job in policing each other as well as embracing sportsmanship.

During our safety briefs we will frequently encourage players to congratulate their opponents on a good shot rather than yell at them. It doesn't always happen but this year I probably heard at about a 5:1 ratio "great shot dude" to "call your ****in hits". Part of this is that many of the older/veteran players are modeling that behavior and it is infectious. Maybe I'm hopelessly Naive just like vision in age of ultron but I try to nurture and reinforce the good behavior at every opportunity and it seems to be working.
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Vision could lift Mjolnir, so I think it's okay to be naive in this case.
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