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With that having a standard set of items needed to play, no matter which field you went to. Like red rags, hydration and stuff like that
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Being strict on gears ans general requirements will only put a bandage on the problem. If we want changes, it has to come from the leaders and the teams, not the EO. Yes, charging more will discourage those who are not sure about it but it will also forbid those with smaller budget but high motivation and mindset to attend. Same can be said for gear. OP. East wind could be a good example here. a HIGHLY regarded event as far as milsim but so time, money and gear consuming that many interested players could not do it.

So the priority imho is to focus on the brain. Drop the requirements to a solid base and work the players characters with good leadership and role models first and foremost. The real question now is who wants to be such a person?!?!
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How bout - if they don't show up prepared, you make them a role player. Have the role players patrol a far corner of the field where nothing is happening with instructions to both teams to shoot them on sight - no mercy.

This works itself out.
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LOL, in an ever shrinking population of Ohio airsofters, EO's think they can exclude players for not having what they think an airsofter shoud have. Good luck with that. Those new players are all you have. Loki, Texx, show up to a game once in a while and then you can pass judgement. The Veterans are gone, the teams are gone and soon the stores will be gone. All that is left is the casual player with their $150 gun and jeans.

Frank, when was the last time you went anywhere other than Irene? You can't complain about the community if you are not out in it to shape it. If all players see is other players in jeans playing airsoft then what do they learn, nothing. New players don't go to Springfield, they go to Black Ops and if they see some asshat preaching to them and excluding them at the gate, then they will never become what you want.

The Glory days are over. Airsoft has evolved into something else much like paintball had over the years. Go to Irene and watch the speedballers work away atop their invincable cardboard tanks pinning and spraying people while laughing all the way back to their AMPed airsoft sponsor tents.
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Ray, I know what you mean. I simply don't want to give up just yet

p.s. I have been to Red Dragon, Devil Playground and Irene so far this year
Irene is the only I could call "PRO" obviously and yes, going to MSW or AMS would give me a better idea of what is the PRO airsoft nowaday.
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You shouldn't give up, but you'll really have to see what the community has become before you decide how to fix it. It's not broken because of the new players, it's broken because of the old players. The veterans have all dropped out, sit back and ***** hard core, but their absence is what is shaping airsoft today. The new players have nothing to compare today's airsoft too.
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Old 10-19-2015, 02:16 PM
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And once again, I couldn't agree more. Without veterans and leaders, we can't blame the new generation.
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Let me get to the point. The bad crop is those who choose to complain rather than participate. Without you there being tolerant and guiding the new less equipped player, there will never be a change. Exclude them and they will find anot her place to play. Include them and play side by side with them and the next game they will want the gear and guidance.
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Old 10-19-2015, 02:25 PM
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That is one way to see what is the bad crop. The bad crop I am trying to refer to is those with the wrong mindset. It is not a matter of age, gear or experience but rather about those who wants to play their own way, regardless of what has been put in place for them. For example, a guy who will shoot full auto on purpose while the rules are calling semi only. A guy who just want to do his own thing and shoot every civilian on site because he couldn't care less. Yes, some examples could be for rule breaking and most of you will say a ref/staff should be able to handle the faulty player but the problem at the root remains. Same goes for those doing their own thing; It is not against the rule per say (and honestly impossible to monitor) but it can quickly destroy the whole event spirit.

That is what I mean by bad crop. Players must realize the difference between the events and adapt to it. Heck, players showing with improper gear could be part of the same problem.

Talking about OP Irene, how many players just show up because it is a cool location and couldn't care less about team requirements and the commemoration behind it?!...
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Old 10-19-2015, 02:41 PM
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It's over. The bad crop has established the new game. Again, it's due to those who've dropped out and no longer participate. We are left with those who've created a new game, spray and pray, cheat and laugh about it. They have had time to reshape the game and I don't think it can recover. Speedball of airsoft is here and it's the new standard. Blade, You are now in the minority and I'm not sure you can fix it, sure in small numbers but land owners don't like fields with low attendances.
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Indeed Ray, indeed...but hey, you are still here, Jonah is still there, Devilplayground and Hidden spring ranch are still active....we still have hope.
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Blade, there is hope but it's slowly grinding me out of the game. Others need to step up. Every day I get talk and talk is really cheap. New leaders are not filling the gaps. It's easier for them to fade away and once in while pop up on the forums and whine about the glory days.
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I'm gonna keep trying to open up for games at Red Dragon. The thing is college. But once June hits I'll have the time and funds needed to keep putting games on for guys I know can put the right leadership forward. Had only a few new guys but I turned away bad apples already that are causing problems. If we're going to try to teach new ones right I'm gonna drop the hammer on any blatant players out there for the wrong reason.

Y'all taught me the right way to play, it's time for my generation to start putting in effort. I see others like Nelson with the osu club and Lindeman/Tick putting time in at DP, and even Evan pushing a new envelope at FW. The next thing is getting guys out there to play with the younger ones and not split off. I've done it, we've all done it (I believe ) but sometimes we gotta break down and mix in with new guys looking at us.
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Old 10-20-2015, 03:43 PM
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Maybe we could establish some visual identifier to show that you're interested in helping new players learn to play?

Like a colored Armband, or shoulder cord or something. That way, new guys could see it on the field and if they have questions or need guidance, they can approach you.

That, and we really, really, really need to get these forums moving again, and get away from Facebook. Facebook isn't conducive to long-term success.
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I'm in the plans of creating an event centered around pushing veterans to mix with newer players. Its in beta but Lindeman and I have made some steps and have some of the veteran teams from around Ohio committed to it. Just gotta finish this thing called college first.
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I'm in the plans of creating an event centered around pushing veterans to mix with newer players. Its in beta but Lindeman and I have made some steps and have some of the veteran teams from around Ohio committed to it. Just gotta finish this thing called college first.
Any reason you can't hand it over to someone not in college? I like the Idea of an armband-or maybe for the patch obsessed- a colorful patch to Identify AO veterans who are committed to helping newer players learn the ropes. Another step is to give those patches to the EOs/forum admins to hand out. These would be great for the Milism-lite style games that are coming out.
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Lindeman has it as well Sam! Still needs work first
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Any reason you can't hand it over to someone not in college? I like the Idea of an armband-or maybe for the patch obsessed- a colorful patch to Identify AO veterans who are committed to helping newer players learn the ropes. Another step is to give those patches to the EOs/forum admins to hand out. These would be great for the Milism-lite style games that are coming out.
I like the idea of a mentor patch. Who pays for it cause those puppies aren't cheap
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Indeed they aren't. The two ideas I have for that would be either a fundraiser, or to have the "veteran consultants" pay for them. That adds another line of commitment for those who want to participate. And helps vet out people who may be capable, but don't want to handle the commitment at the time.
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Im all for this mentor patch idea since Im more a man of action than words and actually dont mind givin the new kids advice and guidance.
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Think back to how you got to where you are now in airsoft. For you chairsofters, think back to what got you to the pinnacle of your obsession with the hobby. That's the answer to the problem.

I disagree with this mentor patch idea. Not that it's a bad idea, just simply because it's one more thing that differentiates "veteran" players from new players. When I first started, I airsofted from time to time, but when I got to know the Spear guys, they showed me that anyone can get to the level of play that they are at; I was no different to them. I saw how they worked together, the gear they had etc. And I decided that if these guys are having this much fun, I want to as well. The same goes for all those old AO teams. Who can forget F Tard P90 Squad? Not me.

All these guys had to do was show up to games, say hey what's up, and airsoft with me despite the fact I had minimalist gear. Over time, I built my kit up. Now I'm in Utah bringing new young guys to the game week after week just as the old AO teams did.

It's really that simple. Experienced groups need to consistently show up and support each other's events. Don't distinguish yourselves from the new players. We are all hobbyists. The second we think we are any better than a 16 year old with a Combat Machine covered in ACU duct tape, we are contributing to the problem.

So what made the "Glory Days" so amazing? Everyone knew each other. Work towards getting back to that, and you'll be on your way.
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The mentor patch idea isn't meant to differentiate people from others in a bad way, but it is supposed to differentiate people.

Initially, I think whatever is done should be simple and cheap, and doesn't necessarily have to be fancy. We could pick a color and have it represent that you're a mentor. A blue nametape, a blue armband, blue whatever. After the concept is tested and we figure out if it works, THEN we get the fancy crap made. I think if we jump right into the fancy crap without seeing if the system even works we might attract the wrong sort of people (IE just people that want the patch, not the people that want to put in the work).

Hell, if you want to make the program big enough, we could hold little workshops on how to be a mentor, if we want to get younger people involved in it.

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So what made the "Glory Days" so amazing? Everyone knew each other. Work towards getting back to that, and you'll be on your way.
By this definition, the "Glory days" ended in about 2003-2004. They weren't glorious because we all knew each other, they were glorious because by and large nobody acted like a tool, and we had a fair amount of respect for one another. We shot at each other, sure, but we realized in the end that the people we were shooting at were our friends. The culture today has shifted away from that attitude, and more towards the "how many kills can I get" and "how can I get my gun to perform better," the latter of which is finally starting to be potentially dangerous. It seems from my perspective at least, that people are so concerned with making guns shoot faster and faster (both FPS and ROF wise) that people have stopped thinking about the fact that their ultra high performance toy is going to be used to shoot at another human being. All of this is indicative of an overall lack of respect, which ultimately is what made the glory days, the glory days.

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Some points for EOs.

At what point do you as the EO take responsibility for people showing up to your game unprepared to play?

Who is letting them through the gate and taking their money?

If there is no consequences for this bad crop showing up unprepared, then who is at fault?

Given you will always have casual players. What can you do to motivate these players to participate on a higher level? Can they be motivated?

Does inclusion of the casual player hurt the overall game?

If you're not going to exclude these players from your event, how can you as an EO utilize them - story, role players, integration into squads?

Why do these people have to be a bad thing. They are there to pull the trigger, you can't use someone who is just there to shoot?
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They are a bad thing because they create extra "unknown" to an event, which is what an EO try to avoid as much as possible. It is about the thing than letting players come in without registration or wearing whatever they want. If I plan an event for 200 vs 200 and it ends up 100 vs 400, It throw my whole event planning into the trash can and I have to improve the whole weekend and play catch up.

I love the fog of war and the uncertainty but you reach a level where it turn out of control and nobody has a good time anymore..even the EO.
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You shouldn't give up, but you'll really have to see what the community has become before you decide how to fix it. It's not broken because of the new players, it's broken because of the old players. The veterans have all dropped out, sit back and ***** hard core, but their absence is what is shaping airsoft today. The new players have nothing to compare today's airsoft too.

I agree. That said there has to be an outlet for the older guys to go be among their peers from time to time.
Where is the increased challenge for the old hands?
I am not talking spice of life, different stuff, nor coo locations. I am talking about things that require the skills that an experience person has aquired, but rarely has an opportunity to use, let alone test and expand.
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