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I have always wanted to be in the Marines. However, I recently discovered that my severe peanut allergy is an automatic DQ with no chance of a waiver, so I began to think about something that may be able to provide a similar experience. I am at an age where I believe I need to start thinking about what I may want to do in the future, so I'm just looking for ideas, as I know this is the kind of thing I'm passionate about.

The only real alternative I could think of is a job in the SWAT team (I do understand the selection process, and that you cannot just join a SWAT team right away), so any other options would be appreciated.
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If you want to serve still, try the guards. My friend was sent away from the army for missing half of is right index finger, but the guard took him for diesel mechanic. That is my advice to you.
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No, the issue is that if I was ever theoretically deployed, I have to be ready to serve at all times. So there can't be the risk that I would ever have a reaction while on active duty. That, coupled with the fact that peanuts are in many MRE's, makes any military service not an option.
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You could try some police work in Over The Rhine. That may be similar to military service ...

You will probably need to work as a police officer for a while before you can join the SWAT I believe.
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I think the Nation Guard would be a good bet too. Im not sure if every branch has the same qualifications and such for what you are alergic too. But I would still try. But if you want something like Law Enforcement, then I would suggest try for a security job first. See how you like that and it would help get some experiance in that field. There are some places that dont require security clearance. Just a clean background check. Hope that helps
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BOA- Most SWAT teams in heavily populated areas require years of work in the regular force before you can apply for a SWAT position. So you are correct.

Shiney- I believe all branches of the military have this requirement. As far as Law Enforcement, I would be interested in it. However, I also wish to attend college past the normal 4 years, and I'm curious what kind of Masters programs exist for such a profession, if any do at all.
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I believe all branches of the military have this requirement.
Perhaps you need to talk to more recruiters... There are also thousands of jobs in marines. I'm pretty sure you could be a mechanic, clerk, pilot or cook in the civilian world too.

If you want a four year degree relating to LE look into Criminal Justice.
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Regardless of the occupation in the five branches you have to pass MEPs and thats where you get DQ'ed. There might not be a way to get into the military world, but there are ways to find careers to help serve Marines like O'Gara Armored cars or something.
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I'm pretty sure Xe wants people with a military background. If not, you could take a bunch of tactical courses for rifles and stuff at TDI and then get a job as an Xe Operator.
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Id like to know what it was exactly you wanted to do as a Marine. Maybe not MOS specific but a generalization would help. Was your desire purely to serve in the military regardless of specific job?
At one point I looked into the Federal Air Marshall program. The physical requirements, weapons training (pistol mostly), and the fact that you are to be "covert" (ie no one is supposed to see you as anything but another passenger) are kind of "high speed". The schedule can suck until you get some seniority, but may be something for you to consider before you get involved in a serious relationship and want to settle down.
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Question, are you looking for combat operations/deployment into a combat zone (basically fighting) or are you looking to be in a job involving the military (non-combat work)?
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I either wanted MOS 91F (Small Arms/Artillery Repair) or MOS 0311 (Rifleman). They are pretty different, but I'm really mostly interested in firearms. It might seem a simple choice to try to get a job at a gun repair shop, but again, I'm interested in getting a higher education, and I don't really see there being many options in college for "guns".
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I either wanted MOS 91F (Small Arms/Artillery Repair) or MOS 0311 (Rifleman). They are pretty different, but I'm really mostly interested in firearms. It might seem a simple choice to try to get a job at a gun repair shop, but again, I'm interested in getting a higher education, and I don't really see there being many options in college for "guns".
I believe guns require a good bit of Mechanical Engineering (including ballistics) Metallurgy, Chemistry (gunpowder), and the like. If you can sift through everything that requires a gun to operate properly or be engineered in a functional and efficient manner, you'll find there are PLENTY of degrees that can operate in the firearms industry! The harder part is finding a company that will pay you for having that degree and applying it... good luck though!
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As with Greaseman, I agree you chould check each requirement for each branch. Each branch has their own set of DQ's. I knew of a few shipmates in my company that made it to week 3, only to be DQ'd because they had unknown shellfish allergies.

Recruiters are your best bet, they can tell you without a doubt what you can and can't do, and what MOS's / Ratings might allow you to waiver certain issues.

Trust the advice of those who have actually taken the plunge / or are still currently in.
AO is a great resource of info, but I can't tell you how many members on this site have posted "solid factual information" and have never been within 100 yards of a recruitment office.

If for some reason you can't make it to a recruiter, call, if you can't call, goto military.com's forums and go into their recruiter section. Only recruiters and other pre-approved members are allowed to respond to questions.

Good luck, and worse comes to worse, their is always civillian based law enforcement.
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Lu/Greaseman- I am positive that every branch requires the applicant to not have any allergies that induce anaphylactic shock. I have already looked on the military forums and have even posted my own question regarding asthma/peanut allergy. There is no way that I would be able to get in, although I suppose I can still try.

I suppose that civilian law enforcement would be my only other option that would provide a similar experience. I'm also interested in the development of firearms, but something tells me getting a job with a company that does that kind of work would be difficult at best.
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Well i hate to shoot ya down but the guard is still pretty over booked. unless things have changed The guard isnt giving any waivers for just about anything. I guess the big thing people dont realize is that the guard is the ARMY national guard so all the same rule from the active army apply to the guard. You all do the same training and all train together.

As for the topic. SWAT would probably be youre best bet but you normally have to be on a department for 3 to 5 years to be able to try for a swat team. But its worth a shot!
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Skate,

As I am kind of going through the "What am I going to do with my life" issue and tried to replace the military with LE, I can tell you, you won't get the same experience. It is not nearly the same. I have never been in the military, and I don't claim to have, but I have been told by quite a few people (including the recruiters I spoke to) that there is no substitute for the military life style, and I will flat out believe and agree with them.

Being a cop isn't like being a marine. You will study law, you will study boring, by-the-books details that will drive you insane about traffic violations, that you will probably never find handy or useful. Not only that, but unless you're willing to move out of state/city for a job, you may not find one - I am hearing a lot from people about lack of jobs. Seems that Columbus is picking up, at the very least, however. They are doing another class here soon.

Research it. LE may be for you - it wasn't for me. There is no one in this world that can tell you what is best for you, other than you. You may end up being a pig farmer - who knows. Try things out while you can, especially if you have the financial aid to do so. Enjoy college, too, if you go. Just make sure you get good grades - I keep hearing about this studying, thing...I still don't understand it, though.

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There are some alternative to Police as well - Park Rangers, Animal Control, Fire and EMS, Game Warden, etc. Many of these require academy or college coursework and various degrees, but are still in the First Responder category.

I know of some Fire/EMS who train with SWAT/SRT as a medic, but still go through the same weapons and tactics training as other officers. This give you an opportunity as Fire/EMS to also be an active SWAT/SRT member.

In some areas, Park Rangers, Animal Control, and Game Wardens can be some of the only armed Law Enforcement within hundreds of miles. Certainly in times where there are budget crunches, you could be called to act as a reserve officer. They also are called upon as Peace Officers to conduct Law Enforcement duties. In smaller communities, these officers may even perform SRT/SWAT duties alongside Police and Sheriff deputies.

Some counties may have Animal Control and Animal Welfare officers who train as peace officers or who have come over from the Police Department to conduct Control and Welfare duties. In some sates, control duties simply require a few days worth of course work and a Peace officer's license. Some carry service weapons along with traditional animal control equipment - snares, collars, etc. This may also present you an area you might be able to work in.


Consider these areas in addition to traditional Police training. Many of these guys do the same job, but with a more diverse range of responsibilities and specific areas of expertise. I said before, in smaller communities, with the need for manpower, even a peace officer or reserve officer, you may be able to volunteer for SWAT/SRT duties. Its really up to how far you're willing to go.
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Skate- Most of these post aren't very helpful to you. Depending on your cash school may be a great option for you. Slow at first and won't put you in any field foreign or domestic for a short amount of time (1-4 years). There are a lot of emergency fire classes that can be taken along with EMS classes. If you would like to go to a foreign country, things that DQ from the military could still come up in the Private contractor world. There are companies out there KBR, ITT, Turner, etc.

http://enr.construction.com/people/t...lcont_1-50.asp

This link is the top ones. There companies are looking from private contractors, welders, electricians, RN's, EMS, emergency fire workers and etc. These companies have pro's and con's to them. It will require YOU to research EACH one very carefully. I only say this due to at one time I wanted to ENLIST but I am only 2 years out from an RN degree. I research VERY carefully. Forums are very helpful.

Lastly Skate, I do not post on these forums very often. So take my words into consideration. Research many options. Don't be discouraged due to one DQ. Stay in contact with a local recruiter, or possible more than one. Things have a way of always working out. Remember you have to think long-term! You will want a career not a job. So when your older you may want education behind you to find a state side job later in life.
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Just an fyi. I'm in the process for a Federal job and they did a full medical check similar to MEPS. Depending on the job, they may DQ you for the allergy.

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My grandpa did RnD for the Army (15yrs) and Goodyear & NASA Aerospace (20yrs). You'll need a engineer degree or similar to get into RnD.
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Texx- Thank you for all the ideas. They are definitely possibilities I will consider.

Shepard- I actaully have researched those private contractors a bit, and not only do they do some less than reputable things, they also generally want ex-military personnel. I will make sure to try to work something out with a recruiter.

UrbanMarine- Great. Well hopefully I'll find a way to work around my allergy. As far as the firearms RnD did he work in the military or for a private company who did research for the Army?
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He was actually an electrical engineer designing electrical systems for everything from fire control systems to silent propulsion. Some of his bigger now unclassified projects were flight simulators, nuclear submarine electrical systems and telemetry systems.

Both his Army and civvy work were done for the military. If it was private, I'd be a rich ******* driving a Ferrari because we'd be worth millions. But the military makes you sign paperwork saying all your work is theirs not yours. So instead I'm a poor ******* driving a Impala :P
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Thats something I think I could get behind. Thanks for all of your help everyone, it's very much appreciated.
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