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So. The time has come for new gear, and I have decided on a HSGI/Pantac Weestach. Now, I have done some research on both brands concerning material, construction, function, etc. but I'd like to get some feedback from owners/users of Weesatches. First, do either brand have dividers between the integrated shingles, and what kind of acess do they provide to magazines? Does MOLLE webbing continue around the sides of the rig? How well does it distribute weight? It looks as if it may be uneven. And to owners, all around, how do you feel about your rig, and are there any major differences between Pantac and HSGI that effect durability and function.
Additionaly, I am purchasing a BLS Belt, and was wondering how many mounting options it provides as far as size and number of pouches go.
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I own the Wasatch, and it is probably my favorite rig I have ever worn. It is extremely light and easy to move in, and for the price you just cant beat it. The magazines are internally seperated and it is easy to get them in and out. There are tabs that can be velcroed over the mags, but these can become bothersome and can easily be removed and then put back by simply pulling or putting on a strap of velcro. The molle webbing does not reach to the sides of the rig, but this also make it breath extremely well. However without this side webbing a belt may be a good idea. Mine took a little bit of adjusting to get it fitting just snug, but once i got it set just right it felt perfect. It may take some time, but when fitted properly it will feel extremely light and easy to manuver in. I purchased the Pantac one, and i have no personal experiance with HSGI, but i have been VERY satisfied with the pantac material. Sure, its not real, but to some people real gear isnt everything. Overall, if you where to buy the pantac i think you would be satisfied with your purchase.

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The HSGI model is made of 1000D Cordura Nylon. The Pantac says it's made of Cordura, but I'm not sure. If it is, it isn't 1000D, it's closer to the 600-700D range. What's the difference you might ask? 1000D is heavier and stronger material.

Both the real one and the copy have internal magazine dividers. The flaps that hold the magazines in from the top are velcro, and thus can be removed or adjusted up or down to hold however many magazines you want (I tested my HSGI one a while back, they can hold two of just about any type of rifle magazine made, G3, AKs, M16s, although I never tested G36 magazines in it). The two "partitions" on either end of "ammo pouch" aren't wide enough to hold more than one magazine, a radio, or a small pistol.

In short, the HSGI version has better stitching, is made of heavier cordura, and comes with a warranty, at only about 1.5 times the price of the Pantec if you look around. The HSGI version is made in the United States.

The Pantec version is lightier weight, cheaper, and comes with no warranty. It's made overseas (probably China)
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Im very pleased with my MC Weesatch Rig, which is a Pantac. I bought it from Redwolf over Winter Break along with a horde of other accessories and pouches. The magazine "pouches" are nice and snug against your front torso (or it could just be that I am fat o_0) and can easily fit a variety of magazines within them, just as Loki said. But, unfortunatly, as Germans love their stuff big and bulky, G36 mags only comfortably fit one per pouche. Ive also found it easy to fit up to thre M16 mags per pouche depending on which way you insert them. Either way, they are easy to access and will not fall out even if you decide not to use the annoying velcro flaps. It does not have webbing on the sides of the rig, but this doesnt matter as dump pouches easily fit in this location. I dont find them at all unbalanced, matter of fact, if you use a hydration system, they balance out quite well. not to mention that they are easy to remove if nessisary and come equiped with a built in drag handle.
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Going to be the gear whore here.. so..

1. Pantac stuff is made in china. HSGI is not. It's made in the United States.

2. Pantac stuff has no warranty. HSGI has a lifetime warranty to compete with that of Eagle, O-SOE, TT, etc.

3. By an RRV over a satch anyways.



You're going to spend more money on the HSGI one - however, you get more re-sale value with it firstly. You will be able to keep 75-80% of the re-sale value easily due to the fact its a 'real-deal' piece, vs. maybe 40-50% of the pantac - and that depends on prices.

Quality wise? You're not using it everyday. You're not putting it in true combat conditions. You're not going to use a number of features that have been built into it. (i.e. Carry real plates, get dragged by the handle, etc.) So the choice comes down to this:

Do you want to buy something thats made in the US and has a warranty, or do you want to save some money and buy the Chinese knock off? (Which, if it breaks, you're screwed.)
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I agree with Fox for the most part. You're kind of implying that Pantac is a poor quality company though. This is indeed is not the case. I know they are knock-offs but they are the cadillac of knock-offs! The quality of pantac is VERY good. I own some BHI stuff, some Eagle stuff, some TT stuff, etc. And as long as you get some 1000 Denier Condura (which my CIRAS will be) it's all good.

What I'm saying is I own a little bit of everything by various companies both foreign and domestic. While for the most part anything made in the US is king, Pantac is right up there in quality!
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I picked up a PANTAC weesatch in Columbus and like it, but like my chest rig better only because my fat belly makes it harder to access the SIG552 mags in the weesatch. Also I can fit a pair if TM SIG552 mags in the chest rig, but only one mag per pouch in the weesatch because of the interlockling tabs on the magazines.
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I agree with Fox for the most part. You're kind of implying that Pantac is a poor quality company though. This is indeed is not the case. I know they are knock-offs but they are the cadillac of knock-offs! The quality of pantac is VERY good. I own some BHI stuff, some Eagle stuff, some TT stuff, etc. And as long as you get some 1000 Denier Condura (which my CIRAS will be) it's all good.

What I'm saying is I own a little bit of everything by various companies both foreign and domestic. While for the most part anything made in the US is king, Pantac is right up there in quality!
I would like to see field tests of both pantec and HSGI over a period of a few months, say in Iraq or Afghanistan.


Pantec is fine for airsoft use. However, I do not see the point in only saving a little bit of money and not buying the real thing. Things break, it happens all the time - why not have a warranty?

I've broken Eagle gear, BHI Gear, EOTechs, PTWS.. etc. It's better to spend the money, and have it there just in case **** happens.
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Old 04-23-2008, 05:14 PM
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Pantec is fine for airsoft use. However, I do not see the point in only saving a little bit of money and not buying the real thing.
$230 for a Pantac CIRAS vs. $800 for an Eagle version is saving more than "a bit of money". For airsoft, Pantac quality is just fine.

Now in the case of the "satches", buying a slightly more expensive HSGI over a pantac makes sense.
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I got my Eagle CIRAS 2 years ago or more and only paid $450 for it. If you get the LE version without the release feature I bet you could find it even cheaper. The one he wants though isn't that big a difference in price from the knockoff and I've heard great things about the HSGI version. Some of the knockoff companies make the different models of gear in patterns that aren't available from the original company so if you have a certain one in mind, make sure you can even get it from both companies.
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$230 for a Pantac CIRAS vs. $800 for an Eagle version is saving more than "a bit of money". For airsoft, Pantac quality is just fine.

Now in the case of the "satches", buying a slightly more expensive HSGI over a pantac makes sense.

No idea where you are getting your pricing from. Not even Eagle MSRP's them at 800$.

Now, a RAV - yes, they are 700$.

I have a Coyote Brown Maritime CIRAS, it ran me a little under 500$ retail. (Good luck trying to find them. Took me give or take 6 months and getting lucky for that matter)

You can EASILY find use CIRAS's for the 300-350 price range, which come with the full warranty as well.

I still see no reason to by replica gear.
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Well not to sound like an a$$ here, but coming from someone who owns multiple PTW's no, I'm sure you don't see a reason to buy replica stuff.
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Doing the math here..

You have Pantec:

Retail price: 230$
No warranty
Made in china
Maybe 30-50% resale value

Eagle:
Retail price 400-500$ Depending on color / model
Life Time Warranty
Resale price 60-90%
(I bought my Tan Land for 400, and sold it for 380)
Made in the US

Soo..

Basically, if anything on the Pantec one breaks - your screwed.

Where as if anything breaks on mine... I send it to eagle, they give me a new one.

Being smart when purchasing things has nothing to do with anything else. I like to support made in the US way more then made in China. I also, like to have Warranty.
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While Eagle, Black Hawk, HSGI might be nice, not everyone can justify spending that much on a rig. Even if it has a warrenty and is made in the US. In a perfect world I would buy all nice expensive gear made in the US but the fact of the matter is I can't afford to nor do I feel like dropping that kind of money on gear. For me Pantac is a good alternative to not breaking the bank. Yes they don't offer a warrenty, Yes its made in china. However, the quality is quite good, and at least in the off chance that you did break somthing you would not be out to much. I run a Black Hawk rig with mostly Pantac pouches. I have used the Pantac pouches for about a year now with no problems through about eight games.
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I understand what you're saying and why you're saying it. I fully support stuff made in the US as well. But my point is not preferance. My point is whether or not people can AFFORD $500 vs. $230 (mine came with pouches too). Not everyone can, and all I was saying initially is that Pantac is good quality for a cheaper alternative. It's better than Milspex, its better than Guarder, its better than OE Tech, thats all I'm saying.

My high pricing of $800 was for the Eagle CIRAS and then after pouches and hydration packs, etc....yea, about $800.
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And the original question asked HSGI vs. Pantec

If you're looking at HSGI, you can probably afford it.
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Now in the case of the "satches", buying a slightly more expensive HSGI over a pantac makes sense.
I stated that already.
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Guys, not to highjack this thread, but what is the attraction to Weesatch vests? From what I can tell, they sit high and have built in mag pouches... but so do a lot of other vest designs. Just curious, I've heard about Weesatches but just wanted to get some more info. I mean, if I can get another type of Cordura vest that essentially looks and functions the same as a Weesatch, then why would I choose the Weesatch over it? Again, just curious...
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I don't get them myself either personally. They are very light and move well but other than that I would rather have a CIRAS/RAV type vest. Just my opinion though.
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Without going to far into a Rav/Weesatch debate, they both have their merits.

Rav:
Heavier

-Much more real estate

-Twice as hard to get on and off

-Less air circulation for your body

-Replica RAVs are about as expensive as an HSGI Weesatch is

-No built-in magazine pouches, you have to buy them seperately

-Design relies heavily on velcro to hold it together. Velcro doesn't hold up as well as the Fastex buckles used to keep the Weesatch together

Weesatch:
-Bib area is all but useless for anything but the smallest of pouches

-Incredibly fast and easy to get on and off

-Built in magazine pouches, which cut down on the overall price of your equipment (and it technically also had a built-in Hydro pouch)

-Much better air circulation

-The only place velcro is used is on the plate pockets and ammo retainers


Having said all of this, I use a RAV for my airsoft vest, but a Wasatch for my "zombie" vest.
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Well I have owned my HSGI weesatch for atleast 3 years now. It is a great rig. I would never buy anything else to replace it. The weesatch is also very comfortable and extremely fast. Nine out of eleven of the members on my team use either the HSGI weesatch or wasatch. Compared to the replica, there is no comparison. The pantac gear is of a much cheaper quality. The knock off weesatches are harder to keep adjusted because of the poor quality of the snaps and fasteners. There is no real replacement for the real thing. You could skimp out and buy the pantac. You will be fine, but if you want a really nice rig, save the extra cash up and buy the real thing. Call Mr. Gene at HighspeedgearInc up and he will be happy to talk to you about the weesatch in more detail then I can. I hope that helps.

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