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Airsoft in the News-Medina,Ohio

Brian Hower , 23 of Spencer Ohio paid a visit to the local Taco Bell. He thought the drive up window clerk had flipped him off. When questioned by him, she denied it. Whereupon Brian pulled an airsoft pistol ( a M-16 mini AEG or so the TV news showed) and shot the clerk in the neck and drove off The clerk got his license plate number. The Medina Police invited Brian in for a little chat. He was charged with assault and discharging a firearm within the city. The clerk was taken to the hospital for treatment of 3 welts on her neck and is getting psychological counselling.
Way to go Brian.
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The clerk was taken to the hospital for treatment of 3 welts on her neck and is getting psychological counselling.
Hopefully, I'm not the only one who finds this little bit humorous.
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Hopefully, I'm not the only one who finds this little bit humorous.
Yes, it is rediculous. Thirty years ago you would have been told to shrug it off. But then again, I can see how someone would be taken back by such an incident and be a little freaked out about it. That "toy" could have easily been a real firearm. Plan and simple, like the newsreporter who covered our game at reddragon stated, they are no longer toys, and deserve the same respect and care as the real thing.

This isnt just an airsoft thing either, in the 90's a group of teenagers drove through LA armed with paintball markers and shot by-standers at night, drive by style.

I blame the "thug" and "gangster" mantality of music.
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This isnt just an airsoft thing either, in the 90's a group of teenagers drove through LA armed with paintball markers and shot by-standers at night, drive by style.
Sorry to be getting off topic here guys but did those teens by any chance video tape that act. I believe not to long ago on spike I saw a video of a similar incident as where in the teens shot by-standers at night from a car with a paintball gun. They got caught and were sentenced to jail time and recieved heavy fines too.
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Old 03-19-2008, 10:48 PM
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Yes, that is the same incident.
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No matter how long our sport lasts ppl will always be out there giving it a bad reputation by doing stupid things such as this. we have to make sure we keep a postive image for our sport and condem ppl who do these things saying thats not what we are about . kids who bring airsoft guns to school deserve every punishment they get. kids who do things like shooting a taco bell employee should be charged as if they were using a real gun. as far as i know the ohio law is if you use an airsoft gun in a crime you get charged the same as if was a real gun.
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sounds like that guy isn't too smart. guy 'thinks' clerk flicks him off, HE then shoots HER in the NECK. what was he thinking? maybe i'm being old fashioned, but i don't think it's right to do something like that, he deserves to get sued big time is what he deserves. If they give him jail he would probably be out in no time on probation and be doing dumb things again.

One thing i don't get about events like this is, why would people try to say that the sport airsoft is bad because of a completely unrelated event? It's like saying because someone is going around with baseball bats and knocking off mailboxes, baseball is a horrible sport.
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One thing i don't get about events like this is, why would people try to say that the sport airsoft is bad because of a completely unrelated event? It's like saying because someone is going around with baseball bats and knocking off mailboxes, baseball is a horrible sport.

I agree with you on this, but I think the reason is that many people are completely ignorant about airsoft. They see one person doing something stupid and assume that the rest of us are all idiots with no common sense. As far as I can tell people will be against airsoft for the same reason people are against guns in general, a small percentage of people do stupid things with them, so obviously they are all bad.

What I dont get though is the hospital trip for 3 WELTS, unless she was having problems breathing or something this makes no sense to me. Why pay hospital bills for a doctor to tell you, it's a welt, go take an Asprin and get over it.
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What I dont get though is the hospital trip for 3 WELTS, unless she was having problems breathing or something this makes no sense to me. Why pay hospital bills for a doctor to tell you, it's a welt, go take an Asprin and get over it.
First off, Taco Bell doesn't want to get sued by her for not doing anything for her. Secondly,it's probably going to be Workers Comp, so she won't have to pay a dime. She could also sue the perp for mental anguish.
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True, I hadn't even thought about the fact that Taco Bell would pay for it, I was thinking in terms of paying for the trip herself.

Yea she probably will sue him for mental anguish, these days people sue over everything, but I can see how that would shake you up a little bit having what looks like a gun fired at you, though I can't see how the effects would last too long.

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its very believable that up until the time one of her coworkers raced over to her and told her what they saw on her neck she thought she had been shot in the neck with a couple of bullets and was going to die. That moment in time would certainly be enough to leave a very bad imprint in someones mind.
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its very believable that up until the time one of her coworkers raced over to her and told her what they saw on her neck she thought she had been shot in the neck with a couple of bullets and was going to die. That moment in time would certainly be enough to leave a very bad imprint in someones mind.
I'm sure she could tell the difference between the gunshots.

Phil, I also find that incredibly rediculous. Those bb's shoot at what, 150 fps? Sure, there is a sting, but its not that bad. She's trying to get leverage in the courtroom.
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Old 03-20-2008, 02:55 PM
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Personally I think our bigger more organized events need more publicity. That way people can learn the difference between airsofters and stupid people.
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I'm sure she could tell the difference between the gunshots.

Phil, I also find that incredibly rediculous. Those bb's shoot at what, 150 fps? Sure, there is a sting, but its not that bad. She's trying to get leverage in the courtroom.
The point here is not whether or not she is over exagerating or milking it for what its worth...the point here is another stupid kid who will further add fuel to the fire that is anti-airsoft. People like this will cause trouble for us down the road. That is the main concern. Yes this woman will be fine and yes I'm sure its being overblown...BUT IT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED!
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I disagree with the belief that she must have known the difference between real gun shots and what an airsoft gun sounds like. In my youth, before I ever shot a real firearm, I didnt think that they had a very loud blast. My preception was based off of TV and movies. The power though of that .357 Magnum amazed me though. In a split second, your mind doesnt have time to properly adjust to the situation at hand.

Publicity for the more organized games is not a bad idea, but I think some of the larger national news agencies could see it as a ratings improver with drastic titles such as "state militiamen practicing in your own back yard." Then again, maybe not.
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Publicity for the more organized games is not a bad idea, but I think some of the larger national news agencies could see it as a ratings improver with drastic titles such as "state militiamen practicing in your own back yard." Then again, maybe not.
Most official state militiamen,as you call them, are not armed. I know, cause I am one.
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I think it's extremely believable that she thought, for a crucial few seconds, that she was shot by a real gun.
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Most official state militiamen,as you call them, are not armed. I know, cause I am one.
I understand the Ohio Naval Militia, which has been around for quite some time, but here in good ole' Kentucky we do have armed militiamen known as the Kentucky State Militia. This is also true in other states as well.

Back on topic, like I said before, when someone is shooting at you, you think, Im being shot. Not, what am I being shot at with?
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I have to agree with Spectre. Last year at Sunbury, the first time I tried my TM Hi-capa, people kept coming up to me and saying it sounded like a .32 cal pistol. These people all knew what airsoft guns sound like, imagine this poor girl, just working, for a split second sees what looks like a real gun, hears a noise and feels some type of impact. Panic is perfectly understandable.
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I understand the Ohio Naval Militia, which has been around for quite some time, but here in good ole' Kentucky we do have armed militiamen known as the Kentucky State Militia. This is also true in other states as well.

Back on topic, like I said before, when someone is shooting at you, you think, Im being shot. Not, what am I being shot at with?
Spectre, the key word is "official" Of course in Ohio we have the unorganized milita too. They are not recognized as being part of the state defense forces.

Back to topic also. I don't think she had much time to think what she had been shot with. He probably blew off a couple of rounds and beat feet.
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The details aren't as important as the fact that someone tarnished our sport again. If the weapon the news showed, the mini-M16, is what was used then most likely CyberGun made/ distributed it. Stupid people like this are why we need to keep airsoft less accessible to fools like Brian who commit crimes with cheap airsoft products marketed to children.
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sounds like a brainless act being relayed to the sheeple by a mindless media again.
I suspect that the puke just got his brand new cybergun and figured he needed an excuse to pop bystanders cause deep down he knows that on a real airsoft field .. any of us would own him with a CYMA spring pistol
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