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Question Berets???

I always thought that berets were pretty cool to wear. Would we be able to wear these during airsofting or would people consider this to be offensive to those who serve in the special forces, army, SAS, royal marines, etc?
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if its unmarked I don't see what the issue is... now if it had the markings of a particular military branch/unit then people might look down on it.
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Wearing a berets means that you are a elite and you should be dignified to wear it and serve you country a.k.a The French's Foreign Legion mainly use it and some country's is Europe
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I may be biased being prior service, but I personally hate when people use any form of dress uniform or unit insignia for airsoft. If you haven't earned the right to wear certain devices / uniforms, then you really shouldn't. In airsoft, atleast to me, they serve no real purpose. It annoys me to see people wearing Ranger and Special Forces tabs, some people even go as far as making a complete dress uniform with devices etc. Stick to the BDU's and team original based unit insignia. Now morale patches are a total different story =) Just my 2 cents...
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I always thought that berets were pretty cool to wear. Would we be able to wear these during airsofting or would people consider this to be offensive to those who serve in the special forces, army, SAS, royal marines, etc?
While it's not a "tactical" piece of headgear, if thats what you want to wear, then go for it. If anybody gets bent out of shape about it, tell them to relax and remind them this is all just a game.

Lots of people lose sight of that.
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I may be biased being prior service, but I personally hate when people use any form of dress uniform or unit insignia for airsoft. If you haven't earned the right to wear certain devices / uniforms, then you really shouldn't. In airsoft, atleast to me, they serve no real purpose. It annoys me to see people wearing Ranger and Special Forces tabs, some people even go as far as making a complete dress uniform with devices etc. Stick to the BDU's and team original based unit insignia. Now morale patches are a total different story =) Just my 2 cents...
I have to agree, nothing annoyed me more than walking around OSU campus seeing hippies in Class A uniforms with all patches still on them. It was extremely offensive. It's a slap in the face to those serving and those who served before.

As for the beret, that has to be the most uncomfortable and annoying piece of headwear I have ever worn. By all means, wear it if you like. I don't see the point other than for fashion, but that's just me. Wear something functional like a helmet.
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There you have it, straight from the horses mouth.

Berets in and of themselves are a rediculously useless piece of headgear. Their only purpose is too look pretty. They don't protect your head from rain, they don't keep the sun out of your eyes or off your neck, etc etc. They really don't even denote distinction anymore, unless you know what to look for.

US Army Special Forces wear green berets
US Army Airborne wear red/maroon berets
US Army Rangers wear tan berets
The rest of the US Army wears black berets

US Air Force Secuirty Forces (aka MPs) wear black berets

United Nations troops sometimes wear light-blue berets

I guess that the point that I'm trying to make is that EVERYONE where's berets anymore, but rarely are they worn into combat.

I'm not saying you shouldn't buy them, I'm just throwing my 2 cents in. I can tell you that ever person I've seen wear a beret in a game isn't wearing it the next time I see them (because it has been replaced by something more functional).
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I may be biased being prior service, but I personally hate when people use any form of dress uniform or unit insignia for airsoft. If you haven't earned the right to wear certain devices / uniforms, then you really shouldn't. In airsoft, atleast to me, they serve no real purpose. It annoys me to see people wearing Ranger and Special Forces tabs, some people even go as far as making a complete dress uniform with devices etc. Stick to the BDU's and team original based unit insignia. Now morale patches are a total different story =) Just my 2 cents...
Don't you have to be in a service to be prior service?

If you didn't earn it, don't wear it. That goes for rank insignia, uniforms, specific unit patches, etc. Don't go around saying your something your not, it can get you in a lot of trouble.
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If you didn't earn it, don't wear it. That goes for rank insignia, uniforms, specific unit patches, etc. Don't go around saying your something your not, it can get you in a lot of trouble.
Then I guess no one should wear MARPAT, ACU, Woodland, 3 Color or 6 Color unless you are prior service. After all, that is/was part of the uniform.

Weeee! Fashion Camo for everyone!

It is a hat for Christ's sake. If you want to wear one, go for it.
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Don't you have to be in a service to be prior service?
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Then I guess no one should wear MARPAT, ACU, Woodland, 3 Color or 6 Color unless you are prior service. After all, that is/was part of the uniform.

Weeee! Fashion Camo for everyone!

It is a hat for Christ's sake. If you want to wear one, go for it.
I'm talking about issued dress and service uniforms, things you have to earn. I just think it's stupid when you can see people wearing things that you've earned, and when they play pretend.
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Then I guess no one should wear MARPAT, ACU, Woodland, 3 Color or 6 Color unless you are prior service. After all, that is/was part of the uniform.

Weeee! Fashion Camo for everyone!

It is a hat for Christ's sake. If you want to wear one, go for it.
I agree with Locutus here. I mean in all reality the WHOLE IDEA of airsoft may be offensive to some real soldiers. I mean are we not all pretending to be something we're not? is that not the idea of "replica" weapons and realistic MILSIM scenarios? If people start saying "oh this offends me cause you didn't earn it!" Well I guess we better hang up playing alltogether because its all relative. Every single one of us is "playing soldier". Yea, its a hobby, yea its a sport...but in the end this is nothing more than an expensive glorified version of running around your back yard as a kid shooting cap guns with your friends. AND I LOVE IT!!!
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I've never seen anybody on the airsoft field wearing a dress uniform, does that happen often?

I have seen plenty of people with Airborne tabs, unit patches, and stuff like that. Lots of people with Callsigns that would suggest they were either currently serving, or have served, and have somehow miraculously done all this by the tender age of 16. I suppose that would probably cheese off some people that have actually serviced in the various branches and attained those ranks as well.

It's just a game, I don't think anybody is running around with airsoft guns talking to the media and claiming to be AirborneDeltaSealReconRangers with the medal of honor pinned to their purple beret or anything..

then again, I could be wrong.
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i agree if i ever wear a beret its not meant to disrespect the men and women who wear it. i have met a few green berets that served in Vietnam and i will never forget them. someday i hope to have as much emotional, mental, and physical strength as them. thats why i would wear a beret as a sign respect of those who serve everyday not to say "hey im as good or better than you".
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personally, i do not see what harm there is to wearing a beret in AIRSOFT, it's a game people. sgt. horvath you have seem to forgotten this.
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It could also be worn to honor the persons's favorite group? Imitation is a form of flattery you know................
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From my point of view looking at this conversation its shows how much of a stale mate it is. I think there are some laws against trying to imitate a government official and use the powers wielded by that official for use other then mandated by that agency ect. People are not going to go to an airsoft game and do such if they do its all under the understanding that everyone on the field knows it’s just for fun. At any rate if something is going to cause a problem then just don’t do it. But I do think that the use of patches for special units is a really really touchy subject and right or wrong should prob just not be done and left alone. You are always going to find people on both sides. Some times it’s just finding that happy middle ground that people have lost. So any way back to the main first question. I guess you kinda have your answer that people are strongly opinioned on both sides. Also keep in mind that the beret is a head cover not always used for military reasons. The French peoples have it now granted I know you are referring to the style that is used my Military forces. In my mind as far as this goes is there are two simple cats for anything. Function and style. The cover in question to me is more style and I personally don’t like them because they don’t really do much outside of look spiffy. Now if you’re going to look spiffy and you feel that people really won’t be offended. Go for it fully just go for it (do not how ever put a patch on there, there is the big prob) if you like things to function well and aid you greatly then I think pass on them. Now I haven’t used one but just looking at them they don’t look like the best thing in the world to have on your head during the game outside of putting maybe some fear into people but oh well. People want to yell at my comments or disagree feel free to hit me up and ill be more then happy to have a conversation with them.

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Well I may as well throw my two cents worth in. I have two brothers, in two separate branches of the Military. They have both given me Rank Insignia, clothing, and other items, and they love it when I wear it, they feel proud. That probably comes from me being blood to them though. I couldn't tell you if it's right or wrong to wear these kinds of things because I am not and never have been in the military. I strongly agree with Locutus, Maverick329, and Mavrick with their points, because I was thinking the exact same things as I was reading along. In my opinion wearing a beret is like wearing BDUs. It's a game, it's imitation, it's fun.
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Then I guess no one should wear MARPAT, ACU, Woodland, 3 Color or 6 Color unless you are prior service. After all, that is/was part of the uniform.

Weeee! Fashion Camo for everyone!

It is a hat for Christ's sake. If you want to wear one, go for it.
I believe they are referring to rank devices,tabs,badges etc. such as Ranger,CIB,SEAL Trident.If ya didn't earn it, don't wear it. You may be infatuated by the organization, but if you respect them, don't wear their insignia. Remember, someday you may meet up with a former member and they may not be real happy with you wearing a device they worked hard to get. More than one person has got their butt kicked for that transgression. Nuff' said
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Next time I see someone wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersey I'm gonna beat them up. Surely Tony Romo would be very upset since this fan in question hasn't earned the right to wear it. The next time I see someone wearing a LaBron James jersey I'm gonna call the Cleveland Cavs manager and report this lack of respect!

As rediculous as the above sounds...its the exact same concept people.
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Don't you have to be in a service to be prior service?

If you didn't earn it, don't wear it. That goes for rank insignia, uniforms, specific unit patches, etc. Don't go around saying your something your not, it can get you in a lot of trouble.
I served in 1 of the 5 uniformed branches of the Armed Forces. Why would you be "prior service" if your still in lol?
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What a stalemate. For those of you who haven't served, I can understand your confusion. Yes, it's just a game. Yes, we know most of you aren't trying to disrespect those who earned thoes uniforms, stripes, etc. From our perspective, we sacrificied A LOT to earn the uniform we wear. There is nothing more brutal mentally, physically, and emotionally than military service...all be it we chose to join.

By all means, you want to wear a beret, DCUs, etc...so be it. MILSIM is exactly that, military simulation. However if you're not prior service and I see you running around with airborne wings and a 16th MP patch, I will say something to you.

Back to the original issue at hand. Urban, if you feel like wearing the beret in the field, go for it. I personally think it's a terrible idea, but that's from having to wear the ****er in a garrison environment. Wearing that thing during combat would be only a bigger pain in the ***. If I see you wearing it in the field, I may correct you, at least so that you're wearing it the proper way.

I think one thing those of us prior-service and current service fail to see sometimes is that most people in airsoft has the best intentions when it comes to simulating the way we dress for combat. MILSIM players are far different than the punks walking around in Class A's you see on the street. Maybe we should cut them a little slack. Those of you who aren't PS/CS, if we see you and correct you on the way you're wearing your uniform, don't take it offensively, we're just helping you look more "authentic".

Why can't we all just get along?

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Well I may as well throw my two cents worth in. I have two brothers, in two separate branches of the Military. They have both given me Rank Insignia, clothing, and other items, and they love it when I wear it, they feel proud. That probably comes from me being blood to them though. I couldn't tell you if it's right or wrong to wear these kinds of things because I am not and never have been in the military. I strongly agree with Locutus, Maverick329, and Mavrick with their points, because I was thinking the exact same things as I was reading along. In my opinion wearing a beret is like wearing BDUs. It's a game, it's imitation, it's fun.
I have the samething, my grandfather gave me his Air Force rank and unit insignias, if i were to wear those would it be disrespectful? I say hell no, I'm doing it to show the utmost respect , by showing him how much it means to me that he earned that. Has anyone ever asked the guy in the rangers what he things of someone wearing the arches in airsoft? Has anyone ever really done a study and polled service men who's unit would typically be emulated what the think about it?
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Both sides have valid merets, and neither is 100% correct.

The Soldiers have a very valid point. They earned their uniforms and medals, and have the right to complain when imposters wear the same (as well as the law backing them up). I do know that the vast majority of Military people don't give two craps whether or not you wear BDUs, but do if you wear qualification and unit patches on them.

The other side has a point in that they may be doing something to honor someone, or have a valid reason for doing so.

Neither side is 100% right, but the law sides more with the soldiers than the airsofters:

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I can see both sides of this, but I think wearing the uniforms themselves are no big deal. It is, after all, milsim. I feel that it shows a certain bit of honor to the soldiers, that others would choose to emulate them. Wearing a beret, a uniform, or even modeling a team on military customs is fine.

But... I think I'd draw the line at wearing specific unit patches or awards currently used by the military. I worked my butt off for years for many of my awards, and made huge sacrifices in the honor of those unit patches I have on my wall. I think it would rub me the wrong way to see someone playing airsoft wearing them. I don't think I'd necessarily be offended, but I would definitely be annoyed.

In fact, I've heard many soldiers gripe, seeing civilians wearing military medals and rank in the name of fashion. To people who have never served, its nothing to throw upside down chevrons on a sleeve (I've seen too many pop singers and imitating teens dress like this) but to someone in the military its frustrating. I know this isn't milsim, but still.

Imitation is fine, but I think the custom patches, or even custom designed medals to honor kick-butt airsoft players would be more appropriate. I think rank itself is different, though. So many security organizations, police departments, fire departments, and more use military style rank such as Sgt. and such, it really doesn't matter.

But of course, it is just a game. I don't think I'd make a deal about it.

Also, I think that football analogy is a bit off... People wearing a jersey created and sold for profit to support a sports team is nowhere near comparable to someone wearing airborne wings or patches that people have sacrificed their lives for.
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