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Exclamation Airsoft GI G4 series? go or no?

ok so ive done some browsing, and im looking to buy an M4. i recently had an Airsoft GI EOD elite, one of their custom guns. absolutly loved it and unfortunatly it fell of the top of a gun cabnet and bent the barrel to make it look like a pretzel, and bassically dismantled the gearbox beyond repair. heartbreaking...but i think its time to move on and get a new m4 haha so i was looking on airsoft gi and have been looking at their nrew gi g4 series of guns. sooo does anyone have one or any info on them? even tho they dont have the best fps they seem like a good, and durable gun but i just want some outsider info. thanx guys!
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THe G4 series is constructed from inferior materials by inferior people trying to make an inferior propduct look awesome for other inferior people and by inferior i mostly mean stupid people who never punctuate sentences or stuff like that but its ok because you probably cant use the search function or read the forum rules because youre just not that into that ok like really for sure anyway since you cant read existing threads or use the serach function just buy it and then post your thoughts about it like how nice it is to light your cheap cigars off the wiring when it catches on fire like really black smokes and some flames thats all i got so good bye for now 1111lulxxor
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I completely disagree with Texx. I own a Gi-G4 Cqbr and have around 2000 rounds through it and I absolutely love the thing. For the Price, this thing is amazing compared to the other guns that I have owned/used/own/worked on.
Pros:
- It is the most accurate airsoft gun I have ever owned.(known from experience)
-The rof on it is insane.(Do NOT know the actual rof, but it sounds in the 15-18rps range)
-Very well built for CQB (It has a ton of rail space for mounting tacticool equipment as well as being fairly short at 27 inches[also known from experience])
-Smooth as a baby's butt. (Firing)
-Sexy (yes, one of those dreaded opinions)
-Sturdy (for a plastic bodied gun[has withstood a 5ft drop and a 3ft drop without a scratch])
-Good fps for cqb (mine crono'ed at 320 consistently[this was crono'ed at Hollywood Sports with .20s and crono'd at 320 for all but one shot out of 10 and that one was 321 fps])
-Reliable(hasn't jammed on me or crapped out so far)
-Energy efficient(doesn't suck up the battery fast[used a 8.4v 1100mah battery and lasted aroud 2000 shots and still had charge in it])
-lightweight (around 6-7 lbs.)
Cons
-Nylon body(strong as hell, but not as strong as metal)
-Crane stock(I personally don't like them so I switched to a stubby full stock[yes, it's another one of those opinions])
-Crappy wiring (low gauge and stiff)
-No fuse(could be a pro or con)
-Mags wobble(solved with electric tape in the magwell [wobbles with stock mag as well as G&P midcaps, need to try out more though])
That's about it. It is the best gun I've ever used(I have owned many in its price range) hands down and I highly recommend it.
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I don't have any experience with it personally but nearly every review I have read or watched has given it nothing but praise. Check out youtube, plenty of great (and some not so great) reviews there.
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they are based off of the the g&g affordable serious so it is a mid grade gun. if your looking for a mid grade gun it wouldnt be a bad choice. all airsoftgi does is trick them out some and make them more appealing at an affordable price so all the new airsofters (noobs) that dont care about quality will jump all over them. all in all if your new or you dont have the money for a high grade, not a bad choice. if you have the money GET A HIGH GRADE!
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THe G4 series is constructed from inferior materials by inferior people trying to make an inferior propduct look awesome for other inferior people and by inferior i mostly mean stupid people who never punctuate sentences or stuff like that but its ok because you probably cant use the search function or read the forum rules because youre just not that into that ok like really for sure anyway since you cant read existing threads or use the serach function just buy it and then post your thoughts about it like how nice it is to light your cheap cigars off the wiring when it catches on fire like really black smokes and some flames thats all i got so good bye for now 1111lulxxor
A little harsh I think..and not much help as well.

I think it would be an excellent decision as an entry level gun. I personally have the G4-A3 and I couldn't be happier with it for the price. Are there some inferior materials, yes. The upper receiver is made out of plastic, but it is solid none the less. It is based off of the G&G combat machine, so it is very affordable. It has an excellent ROF on a 9.6v battery and comes with lots of goodies for the price. I get plenty of compliments on the way it looks and shoots and I think you will be satisfied if you decide to go that route.

Are there better AEG's out there of course, but for the price you can't really go wrong with one. ASGI also has decent customer service if you should come across any issues. I hope this helps.
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I recently went with the blowback version and even though the body is not metal, its still very well made. I personally like the SF logo better than the marines. But on the more important note, you are getting the same gun as their professional series, except with a plastic body. Same hop up, barrel, gear box, etc. They are a good buy and are of a higher quality than other plastic series guns.
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I completely disagree with Texx. I own a Gi-G4 Cqbr and have around 2000 rounds through it and I absolutely love the thing.
Pros:
- It is the most accurate airsoft gun I have ever owned.
-The rof on it is insane.
-Very well built for CQB
-Smooth as a baby's butt.
-Sexy
-Sturdy
-Good fps for cqb (mine crono'ed at 320 consistently)
-Reliable
-Energy efficient
-lightweight
Cons
-Nylon body(strong as hell, but not as strong as metal)
-Crane stock(I personally don't like them so I switched to a stubby full stock)
-Crappy wiring
-No fuse(could be a pro or con)
-Mags wobble(solved with electric tape in the magwell)
That's about it. It is the best gun I've ever used(I have owned many) hands down and I highly recommend it.
And how many airsoft guns have you owned so that we can gauge just how accurate a comparison "most accurate" would be. The point is if you've only owned 4 guns, your basis for comparison is not exactly very broad. Limited experience gives you a somewhat useless answer. I've owned well over 70 guns, and don't even feel qualified to answer which is the best one.

This is exactly why the "should I get XXX gun" threads are useless. Because you get loaded answers from people who don't know well enough to not answer the question.

Buy the gun you want. Deal with the issues.

Also, who exactly are you reading the reivews from? ASGI? They are selling the guns, how well can you trust a retailer pimping their own products?
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I myself have an ASGI G4-A3 with the Blowback feature. I will admit that I am very new to AEGs, but I had an experienced airsofter who actually works on version 2 and 3 gear boxes take a look at it. For the most part, I wanted to just get a feel for taking down a gearbox and how it works. In doing so, the gearbox that I expected to be packed with packing grease and in need of a shim job, was actually quite the opposite.

The gearbox had been cleaned, shimmed, and greased. On top of that, some of the smaller things that I wanted to do, like reroute the wiring to make it more efficient and tape the front of the hop up for compression had already been done.

Now I am not a fanboy for Airsoft G.I. like some might be, but this kind of service is above and beyond what I had expected from an online company. Also in dealing with them, they were prompt on taking care of my invoice, packing it, and shipping it, all within a week. They also have free shipping right now on orders over 100 dollars, I believe, seeing how I just ordered some other odds and ends from them yesterday.

As for FPS, I believe they are within the 300's and can be upgraded if needed. The G&G internals look to be great actually, definitely a good start to an Airsoft career. Look at what they have, because they have many different options, and find something suitable to what you're going to be using. That would be my suggestion. Good luck and have fun with your new airsoft gun. : )
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And how many airsoft guns have you owned so that we can gauge just how accurate a comparison "most accurate" would be. The point is if you've only owned 4 guns, your basis for comparison is not exactly very broad. Limited experience gives you a somewhat useless answer. I've owned well over 70 guns, and don't even feel qualified to answer which is the best one.

This is exactly why the "should I get XXX gun" threads are useless. Because you get loaded answers from people who don't know well enough to not answer the question.

Buy the gun you want. Deal with the issues.

Also, who exactly are you reading the reivews from? ASGI? They are selling the guns, how well can you trust a retailer pimping their own products?
Texx, I have owned 6 aeg's, they are: a Dboys Aks-74, a cyma tompson, a jg mp5 ris, a galaxy mp5pdw, a classic army g3sg1(yes, the g&g is more accurate even though it has a 195mm shorter barrel) and my gi-g4 cqbr. I have also used(I have put at least 1000 bb's through each of these)a dboys scar, a cyma soc 16, a jg aug a2 and a jg svd. I don't think that it is fair at all to immediatly think that I don't have any expirience in which to judge my opinion about this gun, when you have no expirience with it yourself.
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Texx, I have owned 6 aeg's, they are: a Dboys Aks-74, a cyma tompson, a jg mp5 ris, a galaxy mp5pdw, a classic army g3sg1(yes, the g&g is more accurate even though it has a 195mm shorter barrel) and my gi-g4 cqbr. I have also used(I have put at least 1000 bb's through each of these)a dboys scar, a cyma soc 16, a jg aug a2 and a jg svd. I don't think that it is fair at all to immediatly think that I don't have any expirience in which to judge my opinion about this gun, when you have no expirience with it yourself.
The problem with this:

Four of the listed manufacturers are currently considered "clone" guns. AEG's produced off of designs reverse engineered from established manufacturers with corners cut to increase cost per unit to profit ratio. CA is a good comparison, but G&G not so much. People who played several years ago will remember the infamous stories of G&G guns and their tendency to suck...alot. So much so that many veteran players outright refuse to use them. So, in the AEG's you have listed, only one of them has been considered true quality.

So, I propose the following questions:

What is a solid gun? What makes it "solid"? Does this mean it performs well out of the box? Does this means that it lasts fully operational for a year? Two years? Three? Can it withstand a fall on concrete? What is "decent range"? Rate of Fire? Saying its good gives NO information what so ever. Are we suppose to just take your word for it? Not very convincing to me. Thats the problem I see with all these "reviews" and suggestions now on the forums. there is no real evidence, merely weak prose. I come from a scientific background. We don't say the universe is made of "stuff". We have a periodic table with with over 110 different known elements. It is the specifics that count.

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Pros:
- It is the most accurate airsoft gun I have ever owned. How so? What are the groupings at what range?
-The rof on it is insane. Whut am insane? How fast is it really?
-Very well built for CQB Many would say that is a matter of personal opinion
-Smooth as a baby's butt. lolque?
-Sexy Once again, personal opinion
-Sturdy How so? Has it survived a drop and withheld its rigid structure? My AEG has several times....
-Good fps for cqb (mine crono'ed at 320 consistently) Not bad, but reporting a single value means limited data was taken
-Reliable How? How long have you had it? What is your basis for calling it reliable?
-Energy efficient What makes it energy efficient? Have you measured power consumed via the motor over power lost to resistance?
-lightweight Opinion really
Cons
-Nylon body(strong as hell, but not as strong as metal) [See "Sturdy" comment[/b]
-Crane stock(I personally don't like them so I switched to a stubby full stock) Opinion
-Crappy wiring You stated a "pro" was energy efficiency. Bad wiring means increased resistance. Increased resistance means less current to the motor. Less current to the motor means greater draw on the battery and less power overall. I use power in the purest sense, Energy over time. This means in circuitry, its current squared times resistance.
-No fuse(could be a pro or con) Opinion
-Mags wobble(solved with electric tape in the magwell) What mags wobble? There are as many different types of magazines as there are AEG manufacturers.
Not to flame or rag on anyone. I'm sorry Bremner if I offend you, please don't take it that way. I am not trying to be disrespectful. But these "reviews" to me provide little meaning over what is truly valued as important, relevant information.
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Texx, I have owned 6 aeg's, they are: a Dboys Aks-74, a cyma tompson, a jg mp5 ris, a galaxy mp5pdw, a classic army g3sg1(yes, the g&g is more accurate even though it has a 195mm shorter barrel) and my gi-g4 cqbr. I have also used(I have put at least 1000 bb's through each of these)a dboys scar, a cyma soc 16, a jg aug a2 and a jg svd. I don't think that it is fair at all to immediatly think that I don't have any expirience in which to judge my opinion about this gun, when you have no expirience with it yourself.
Bremner, I've worked on enough G&G guns and seen enough of them fail in the field to have a very poor opinion of them as a brand and that is even from owning and running G&G guns personally. I have also owned and worked on many of the guns you have listed.

Of the six guns you've listed I know three of them very well from fixing them, two from owning them myself. I didn't say you didn't have experience, I am simply stating your limited experience give you a severely limited perspective as to what a true quality gun will be.

If you are comparing six rotten apples, even if one of them is less rotten than the others, you're still comparing rotting food that is not fit for consumption.
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Bremner, I've worked on enough G&G guns and seen enough of them fail in the field to have a very poor opinion of them as a brand and that is even from owning and running G&G guns personally. I have also owned and worked on many of the guns you have listed.

Of the six guns you've listed I know three of them very well from fixing them, two from owning them myself. I didn't say you didn't have experience, I am simply stating your limited experience give you a severely limited perspective as to what a true quality gun will be.

If you are comparing six rotten apples, even if one of them is less rotten than the others, you're still comparing rotting food that is not fit for consumption.
Well you can't really compare fresh apples to rotten apples now can you? You have to compare it with something in it's own league or else it will be biased. To try and douse(please let this be water and not kerosene) the fire that I helped fuel, I will rephrase what I said and put "for the price" in my original post. And I will specify my original post more.


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You guys have to remember, this is a $200 gun. This isn't the best gun out there, but for the money, it is on par. Just about any other m4/16 rifle would have a plastic body, and if you would compare the internals to an echo1 or other cheaper gun, it would be the same. I'd save my money, and buy an ICS. But if you are strapped for cash, or looking for a beginner gun, I'd try it.
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to the original post, I say go for it. Most of the externals are pretty high end and the internals are not HORRIBLE. In conlcusion, I say go with it and put your money into the gearbox. I mean, seriously....you're not going to die if you buy it and don't like it lol just sell it on here...
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I would also say go for it, I have had great experiences with G&G and their line is highly recommended by the airsoftgi staff. I understand that G&G had some problems initially, but they have definitely stepped up their game. For instance, the G&G m14 had terrible problems at first, but now is one of the best on the market. I understand problems have been had by them in the past, but for the price you can't beat it. I say go for it.

On a side note, some of you guys should get your hands on a current version of a G&G, I think you will be pleasntly surprised. Also, with the 2010 lineup I suspect a few will try them out (can anyone say f2000?).
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On a side note, some of you guys should get your hands on a current version of a G&G, I think you will be pleasntly surprised. Also, with the 2010 lineup I suspect a few will try them out (can anyone say f2000?).
I have the 2009 version of the M16 at I love it. The gun has a nice feel (metal version) and it shoots really well (fast as well as strong). In fact the only reason I am even upgrading it is because I want to be able to play out a DMR so I am trying a 6.01 barrel (comes with a 6.04 stock). An excellent weapon that I have no complaints about.
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Clearly this person is not looking for the best gun on the market, not many can afford them. I think he needs just a little reassurance that he is making a somewhat wise investment. Not really helpful for people to get into an argument. I think that most would agree that for only $200 you get a pretty decent AEG. Looks good aesthetically, performs ok and will get someone out there to play with some extra money for kit.

No need to be abrasive and flame someone for asking for a little advice, just give your opinion and wish them well on their decision. I find it hard to believe that criticizing someone about their punctuation would help them decide on a more appropriate starter gun.

Good luck with your purchase, I hope you are happy with your decision.
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We are not here to reassure bad or sketchy purchases by individuals. If they want facts, then specifics should be provided. Not "uhhhh its a good gun I liek it alot". I've chrono'ed enough G&G's to hear that the motors are way over-stressed and that they are shimmed horribly out of the box. A gearbox should be smooth sounding and quiet, not a crackling mess of a noise. I've never heard anything uglier than a G&G. For 200 dollars, there are far superior products out there other than G&G, they just don't include the fancy RIS unit so many love for no reason.

Information is the key here. Airsoft Ohio has always been viewed as more of an archive than a website for communication. However, the stuff flowing out of recent posts in the past to me has utterly lacked information. Its filled with mis guided speech from individuals who like to ignore the advice of those who truly know something about this sport. And I am not even talking about myself, there are others who's technical knowledge and years of experience blow me out of the water. I bet most of you don't even know who those names are. Sadly, they rarely, if never, post anymore.
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We are not here to reassure bad or sketchy purchases by individuals. If they want facts, then specifics should be provided. Not "uhhhh its a good gun I liek it alot". I've chrono'ed enough G&G's to hear that the motors are way over-stressed and that they are shimmed horribly out of the box. A gearbox should be smooth sounding and quiet, not a crackling mess of a noise. I've never heard anything uglier than a G&G. For 200 dollars, there are far superior products out there other than G&G, they just don't include the fancy RIS unit so many love for no reason.

Information is the key here. Airsoft Ohio has always been viewed as more of an archive than a website for communication. However, the stuff flowing out of recent posts in the past to me has utterly lacked information. Its filled with mis guided speech from individuals who like to ignore the advice of those who truly know something about this sport. And I am not even talking about myself, there are others who's technical knowledge and years of experience blow me out of the water. I bet most of you don't even know who those names are. Sadly, they rarely, if never, post anymore.
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We are not here to reassure bad or sketchy purchases by individuals. If they want facts, then specifics should be provided. Not "uhhhh its a good gun I liek it alot". I've chrono'ed enough G&G's to hear that the motors are way over-stressed and that they are shimmed horribly out of the box. A gearbox should be smooth sounding and quiet, not a crackling mess of a noise. I've never heard anything uglier than a G&G. For 200 dollars, there are far superior products out there other than G&G, they just don't include the fancy RIS unit so many love for no reason.

Information is the key here. Airsoft Ohio has always been viewed as more of an archive than a website for communication. However, the stuff flowing out of recent posts in the past to me has utterly lacked information. Its filled with mis guided speech from individuals who like to ignore the advice of those who truly know something about this sport. And I am not even talking about myself, there are others who's technical knowledge and years of experience blow me out of the water. I bet most of you don't even know who those names are. Sadly, they rarely, if never, post anymore.
I dont disagree with you. But I believe you can agree with me that Texx's initial post was neither full of facts or helpful in any way. I'm merely pointing out that people should try to help the guy make an informed decision based off of personal experience. I am in no way an expert, but I can tell you from my experience that my G&G is not a bag of ****. At the same time there are better guns out there in the same price range. Perhaps we can swing the tone of this thread in more of a productive manner and some of the more experienced guys can make some suggestion regarding other guns in the same price range instead of just saying that G&G sucks.

On a related note, my G&G sounds quiet and smooth, but it also only shoots at about 285fps. It was supposed to shoot around 380 stock, mine does not. So perhaps this is why it sounds so nice, perhaps there is a weaker spring and the motor is not stressed out.
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I dont disagree with you. But I believe you can agree with me that Texx's initial post was neither full of facts or helpful in any way. I'm merely pointing out that people should try to help the guy make an informed decision based off of personal experience.
My opinion isn't helpful because you don't agree with it? Right.
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