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Okay i know this has been a controversial topic in the military community lately.But in the past two months i have seen more and more people say that women are now in the Seals, Rangers and MARSOC. I would just like someone to help me understand what is going on with this. And are there women as of now training to be come Special operations soldiers or are there any that are already part of Special Operations units as operators.
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I think most people are "confused." There are several articles about women that are attached to Special Forces Units for liaison work, while not actually being Green Berets or SEALs. AS for people's thoughts on women in combat, I'd suggest reading PMO Gordo's post from April '13.

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Well, technically there has been women in SOF for many years (PSYOP & CA have always allowed females, though not necessarily in the tactical teams) there are also what are called CSTs, which are teams of female soldiers that are selected to be enablers for units.

As for females in SF/rangers/seals/etc they're supposed to integrate, but there really hasn't been too much movement on that.
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women are not currently in Special forces units DIRECTLY, BUT they are working with special operations as Attachees or attached units such as Translators or as above mentioned PSYOP & CA or Intel personal. If your think as far as actual combat primary roles no no yet, as of late last year integration of sex's in combat roles has only just begun on unit level training and use. For example i know for a fact late last year first rounds of female platoons have started training in FT Benning GA. That dose not mean there not segregated for example a company at training at sand hill to become infantry could possible have 3 male platoons and 1 female platoon, this is only for there sleeping hygiene and lodging mostly(for a more simpler term like boys and girl dorms in collage). but at actual units there becoming more mixed down to a team level.

special forces direct units(GB,SF,ranger,SEALS,Marine FR) have not begun integration but are Testing and by testing by seeing performance of attachees and regular army/combat units.

Being SF dose not mean u need to be one of the units i mentioned above you can be female cook and be assigned to a Ranger battalion or a different unit for that matter. For example look at all these mos that are in the Ranger Reg.

http://www.benning.army.mil/tenant/7...pecialties.htm

that alot. A unit is more that just one mos(job for you AF people) usually hell even seal units got there own armorer to look after there guns.

being appart of MARSOC, SOCOM, PENTCOM, ASOC, AFSOC, etc dose not mean specifically you are combat personal, but still means you are apart of it.

remember for every combat unit out there there likely more than 5 or more units that keep that unit up. A infantry unit needs, guns, they need bullets to fire the guns, they need people to fix the guns, they need vehicles, they need people to fix the vehicles, they need people to get the gas to the vehicles, ETC, ETC.

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Badger two that dose help thanks. I was aware that women were attached to special ops units for what ever reason. But I got the info I need thanks guys


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One of the best and entertaining arguments against women in the direct combat roles are from RangerUp:
http://youtu.be/0HmT5jqy-iE

Starship Trooper was a great platform to make the show.
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Being SF dose not mean u need to be one of the units i mentioned above you can be female cook and be assigned to a Ranger battalion or a different unit for that matter. For example look at all these mos that are in the Ranger Reg.

http://www.benning.army.mil/tenant/7...pecialties.htm

that alot. A unit is more that just one mos(job for you AF people) usually hell even seal units got there own armorer to look after there guns.

being appart of MARSOC, SOCOM, PENTCOM, ASOC, AFSOC, etc dose not mean specifically you are combat personal, but still means you are apart of it.
Just as a clarification on a couple of your points:

1) you're half wrong about the SF comment. Special Forces is a specific qualification with specific MOS's. 18-Series MOS's are/were closed to females like infantry etc.

but I digress.

2) A female will not be assigned to a ranger battalion. Sorry that just isn't done. To enter the ranger regiment you have to go through a selection process, you are not just assigned. the 2nd Ranger BN commander actually stopped allowing enablers to wear scrolls as combat patches because of the CST program. I won't comment on the implications of this, but it happened.

2B) that said, SF groups do allow female soldiers, but they're larger organizations (brigade equivalents vs. battalions) and these low density MOS's are not considered SF.

P.S. sorry this is a pet peeve of mine, but, SF is a job, SOF is a community.

P.P.S. and yes, darnit, I know in the air force SF stands for security forces AKA Military Police.

Edit: please, for the love of everything holy, use spell check.
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Just as a clarification on a couple of your points:

1) you're half wrong about the SF comment. Special Forces is a specific qualification with specific MOS's. 18-Series MOS's are/were closed to females like infantry etc.

but I digress.

2) A female will not be assigned to a ranger battalion. Sorry that just isn't done. To enter the ranger regiment you have to go through a selection process, you are not just assigned. the 2nd Ranger BN commander actually stopped allowing enablers to wear scrolls as combat patches because of the CST program. I won't comment on the implications of this, but it happened.

2B) that said, SF groups do allow female soldiers, but they're larger organizations (brigade equivalents vs. battalions) and these low density MOS's are not considered SF.

P.S. sorry this is a pet peeve of mine, but, SF is a job, SOF is a community.

P.P.S. and yes, darnit, I know in the air force SF stands for security forces AKA Military Police.

Edit: please, for the love of everything holy, use spell check.
Thanks man also u explained that part more clearly than I did. Sorry for any confusion was trying to say the community part not direct mos.
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No female will make it through the Infantry Officer's Course. I highly doubt their ability to make it through Marsoc selection.
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Women in Special Operations Forces

Now D-Boy I'm just a 16 year old kid so I don't know how hard the infantry officers course is. But I'd be willing to bet good money that if you find women that are in shape and motivated enough they probably could pass the course. But who knows anything can happen. Just my 2 cents.
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Well of the few that have attempted, only two completed the CET and one of which failed it. The other dropped because of injuries sustained. Being a graduate of the course, I can say that it is one of the most challenging schools in the DOD.
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Being a graduate of the course, I can say that it is one of the most challenging schools in the DOD.
Hate to disagree with yah...

but yeah, they're attempting to integrate the courses.
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Hate to disagree with yah...

but yeah, they're attempting to integrate the courses.
Ha, I said "one of the" implying there are other courses out there.

The reasoning to allow females to attend is to gather research whether or not it is feasible for females to be allowed in those combat MOS's. 100 applicants over a period of time will be allowed to attend. Graduation does not mean they get the moniker. So even if one to five females pass the course (highly doubtful), then it still isn't worth it to change. There would be not enough capable and willing females to even consider opening the MOS. The only argument that people have for allowing females into these MOS's is gender equality, but nobody can even state a strength to adding females to the infantry and SOF.
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So based on what your saying, even if some females do start passing the course the only why things are going to change is if it's a significant number?


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eh... well, the military has been directed to do so, it'll just take awhile. The military is the textbook definition of bureaucratic inertia.
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eh... well, the military has been directed to do so, it'll just take awhile. The military is the textbook definition of bureaucratic inertia.
that's so correct people still will never understand...
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