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Old 07-12-2006, 02:48 PM
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N00bs

Noobs, N00bs, newbs, newbies, nobs or whatever else you call them, pretty much everyone agrees that those names signify that the so called "noob" is "NEW" to the community or the sport, or new to whatever activity they are currently new to. The saying comes from the word Newbie, defined as:

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/n[y]oo'bee/ (Originally from British public-school and military slang variant of "new boy") An inexperienced user of Usenet or other system. This term surfaced in the newsgroup news:talk.bizarre but is now in wide use. Criteria for being considered a newbie vary wildly; a person can be called a newbie in one newsgroup while remaining a respected regular in another. The label "newbie" is sometimes applied as a serious insult to a person who has been around Usenet for a long time but who carefully hides all evidence of having a clue.
Love 'em or Hate 'em, they're here to stay. There will always be a constant influx of noobs to act as forum fodder wherever they go. They are the people who sometimes make your head feel like it's going to explode. They are the ones who ask all the question that can easily be answered by using the search function. They are the ones who find your username in your member profile and then annoy the hell out of you 24/7. They are the crux of the universe, yet they are also the future.

One key point that rings true for all of us. We were all newbies at one point in our lives. Those of us who are veterans were once newbies, and some newbies are... well, some people just never outgrow being a newbie too. But in relation to airsoft, we were all new to this sport at one point in our lives, and we knew nothing about our beloved sport. We all probably asked stupid questions and got upset when someone called us an a$$hat or told us to use the search function. At one point, we were all ignorant airsoft newbies and we can't deny that.

But the real reason I'm writing this is to give them a little credit (at least where it is due). Sure, there are some n00bs we wish had never heard of airsoft. They either make the sport look bad, or bother the heck out of everyone until they eventually get banned. They're the know-it-alls and the kind of n00bs who give other newbs bad advice. Some are the kind of noobs who like to sit back and read the forums and slowly learn about our sport, while others jump in head first with all of their money without really knowing what's going on yet. There are many kinds of newbs that we see all the time and it's impossible to list them all here.

One thing will always remain constant. They are the future of the sport of airsoft. They are the ones who keep this sport alive and replentish our losses. Each year, players come and players go. Some we are glad to see depart, and others are a sore loss to our community. Noobs we will ALWAYS have.

We should be giving them some credit, and some leway. They're NEW. They're going to ask the question and they're always going to want the right answer, right now! We veterans should respect that and look past their annoying tendencies. We should help guide them and teach them and cultivate them to become a respectible member of our community. I think that to do otherwise is a disservice to them and to us.

It really makes me angry when I see a newbie come onto the forums and get bashed by a bunch of people for saying the wrong thing or asking the wrong question. Those people often leave and never return. It also angers me when newbies act like veterans and try to give out great advice, but instead end up looking like tools. There really isn't any way to police that, and I've accepted these facts by rolling my eyes and thinking "Why God, why???", but it's all in good fun.

And fun is what Airsoft is about. We don't go out to the field to be pissed of and angry at the world. We go out to have fun, relieve stress, talk with our friends, relax and whatever else you do. In the end, it's simply about the fun factor and the thrill of the hunt.

So the next time you see a newbie ask a completely inane question, don't flame him, help him. Keep his interest alive, and respect the new players as you would want everyone else to respect you. As annoying as they can sometimes be, they're just like you once were, and they're going to be the next wave of players out of the field, and at least that's something to look forward to.

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Old 07-12-2006, 03:01 PM
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Well said, Darkstar. I agree with everything you said, 100%. Noobs deserve to be cut a little slack, and it is sad when they leave and never return as a result of being flamed for asking a stupid question. A well-stated and useful post.
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Old 07-12-2006, 03:28 PM
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Is it better to let the noobs run wild and drive away all of the productive members? Then you are only left with noobs with no direction.

I have seen it happen on many forums.

You are correct in one thing, noobs are the future of airsoft. I would prefer the future of airsoft (and airsoft ohio) to consist of mature people who are able to handle advice, critisism and be able to learn from their mistakes when corrected. If a noob is driven away by this, then I would assume they would not be productive members of the airsoft community.

There is a fine line between flaming and correction, so as long as we are on the right side of that line, we are simply weeding out those who might do our community and sport harm.
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Old 07-14-2006, 02:12 PM
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My opinion regarding N00bs is:
  • I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your question wasn't answered if the gun you'e looking for isn't reviewed in the review section.
  • I'll welcome you with open arms if you take the time to contact me via AIM or PM to ask the questions in private.
  • I'll be more than happy to help you if you can first take the time to learn how to use the search function.
  • I'll take you seriously if you don't immediately begin claiming you aren't a noob, despite the fact you consider Wells to be of equal quality to a Marui, while insisting there's no reason to spend the extra money on a Marui. You were clearly brainwashed by a less-reputable retailer and therefore will be doomed a Non-intelligent Ogre of Obnoxious Boobery - N00b.
  • I'll give you my time if you can show proof that you can follow advice and display intelligence. I get paid to speak to complete morons, if you want to pay me to speak to you on those terms, the fee is $75/hour.

That's really all I want.
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Old 07-15-2006, 10:13 AM
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**** that was eloquent, Texx.

I wish more n00bs did what you say- I'm thinking of starting a Anti-N00b Squad for those of us who're willing to take PMs with questions or something. (Calling it a noob squad just makes it sound like we're noobs... which I am, but still, the purpose is to help newbies if they're having issues.) I would really prefer taking the one-on-one time to tell people "Hey, this isn't quite right what you're doing, but if you do this, we can help you," etc.

Along those lines, I tried to tell a foreigner yesterday that him keeping his baby in the car while it's about 90 degrees outside isn't the right thing to do, and he told us that "she's fine," to which we responded, "it's illegal." He left, and probably won't come back to our store. But, that shouldn't matter to us, in that we've potentially saved a kid's life in that instance. It won't help the dead-head foreigner in the long run, in that he'll probably end up killing his kid, but at least he knows now two things: it's illegal to leave your child in the car while you're shopping, and that our Market doesn't put up with dummies. Same thing goes for AO.
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Old 07-16-2006, 01:04 PM
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The benefit of having newer people help out the nooblets is that we still remember what it's like to be "new" and aren't jaded about the fact that there are an influx of people they don't recognize.

One of the ways we can help newbies is that if they're located geographically near to you, send them a quick PM to say Hi, introduce yourself, remind them to check the rules, and even tell them your favorite haunts in the forum. Ask them if they have any questions, and leave it at that.

If someone seems confused when they post, send a PM that introduces yourself and say that if they have questions about why people are flaming them or why all of their threads are being locked or deleted, you can probably help them understand a little better. If they really give two -----, they'll pm you back asking why.

Also, if they're asking a technical question and you don't know, it's probably best to tell them that, and that if they have a good question, they should post it on the forum.

I guess the idea is that for those who can stomache it, they should initiate contact directly to see if they get a response. If you can politely engage n00bs, do it, and don't be afraid to point them in the right direction if they seem like they've got half a clue.
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While I think Gerty's idea sounds like a good idea in theory, all you are doing is simply holding people's hands.

The information and rules are already there, and ultra-easy to find, it's just that people refuse to look for them/it.

If people are too lazy to look for the information themselves, they are unworthy of help, and should be flushed out of the community. I heard a wise man on these boards once say "I help those that help themselves", and I will continue to live by this mantra.

I will not hold people's hands and help them if they don't help themselves, because they will never learn. If you do this, they will be forever reliant on you to help them find things, and this teaches bad habits. This will in turn cause all of the veterans to leave (which will cause a rapid loss of information and knowledge), and AO will be flooded with lazy idiots.

I am completely against it, and if you do it, you do so without my assistance or my graces (which ultimately don't matter, but hey, it needed to be said.)
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I think the point Loki is trying to make is that he physically have the time to help every n00B that asks for it, no matter how much they ask him. He's here to moderate a forum and not be Mr. God-Of-Answers (though he might like to be though of in that way). I get a lot of people who message me for answers too, and believe me, some are n00Bs!@#45332L33t!!!!. Some annoy the crap out of you until you eventually have to block them. I hate to say it be there is only so much time in my day.

I feel Loki's pain, that we should do everything possible to point newbies in the right direction and let it go from there. If they ignore the information that is already there, I think he is just trying to say that he doesn't have time to help them.

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I think the point Loki is trying to make is that he physically have the time to help every n00B that asks for it, no matter how much they ask him. He's here to moderate a forum and not be Mr. God-Of-Answers (though he might like to be though of in that way). I get a lot of people who message me for answers too, and believe me, some are n00Bs!@#45332L33t!!!!. Some annoy the crap out of you until you eventually have to block them. I hate to say it be there is only so much time in my day.

I feel Loki's pain, that we should do everything possible to point newbies in the right direction and let it go from there. If they ignore the information that is already there, I think he is just trying to say that he doesn't have time to help them.

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Exactly.

Although your version probably had a little less emotion put into it. Your's was probably a little more nice too.
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The problem with this 'newb help' list, or many other ways of suggusting to help newbs is the problem that most of the time that people reply to posts, its either rinse and repeated stuff that others have said. Which, may or may not be wrong.

The main problem we have on this board is lack of people who actually know what their really talking about. We have maybe.. 20 or so people that I can say, very easily 'Listen to these people, they know what they're talking about.'

Why?

1. Some of the true know all about airsofters have either stopped playing, or refuse to put up with the crap on this board.

2. Crap on this board is making the 'expert' airsofters stop posting

3. Another newb tries to answer a question, and screws up the entire thing.

Long and short, I think people need to stop posting and start reading more. Way-back-when this board was first started, I read and didn't post. (Amazingly.) As well, I read Xing airsoft, Arnies, Airsoftzone, etc. Places that don't exist anymore. As well, I got experiance under my belt before I started to post.

Something people don't do now. I see people posting on how to upgrade guns, and what parts to use... that don't even own AEG's. Or, have only had someone upgrade theirs.

Mis-information is killer. And it's working it's ways on this board.
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:34 PM
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I've recieved a few, jusitifed complaints about this thread, and people posting in it.

So, i'll be locking it tonight after a few more comments.
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I don't see any reason to lock this thread. Just delete the responses about the Welcome Wagon list and let it continue. This is a serious discussion, and I want to get people's honest opinions about this topic.

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I don't see any reason to lock this thread. Just delete the responses about the Welcome Wagon list and let it continue. This is a serious discussion, and I want to get people's honest opinions about this topic.

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I did just that


Continue to reply.. but use sense. Useless posts will continued to be deleted. (To all those members, who trashed this thread. The warning goes out.)
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Your kidding right?

You think YOU have newbs?

Let me tell you something, over at ASF... I got 9000 newbs, 700 semi newbs, and about 300 who have actually played a serious game of airsoft. Of those 300 only 100 are active on the forums any more, and of those 100, only 30 actually do thier part to help educate the newbs and of those 30, 10 of them are on the mod staff.

You wanna know how to deal with newbs... talk to me.

We are currently having some MySQL issues so I cant show you the thread We have devoted to how to deal with Newbs.... but when it comes back... I'll cut and paste.

But the number one thing is. You make a series of pinned posts. One that deals with how to make a well written post. And one that tells EXACTLY how to use the search tools on the forum, and EXACTLY how to use google to search for airsoft related information. This means, telling them how to form up airsoft search terms, use quotations for exact names and terms etc. etc...

When you get a newb who posts like an idiot. (using bad grammar, or leet speak) you post a link to the "how to make a good post" thread, tell him to try again and close the thread. Nothing gets the point across better.

When you get a newb who posts a question that has been asked and answered repeatedly in the past, or a question about items that are reviewed often. You reply with a link to the thread telling how to use the search tools available (both in the forum and google) then close the thread.

The only way to get the newbs to stop being noobish... is to TEACH them. And the best way to teach them is to teach them how to teach themselves. And the only way you can do that is to push the tools in thier face and rub thier noses in it gently.

Its works for ASF... even under the 1200 posts a day we get.

Bottom line is though.... you dont want to turn them away... for all you know, this annoying newb that just made his first annoying post, may end up being the best opponent or teammate you've ever had (in a few months or years)

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A stranger cannot be appeciated until someone takes the time to get to know their strengths and weaknesses enough to appreciate their specific qualities.

There is only so much leeway you can show a person. If they still don't "GET-IT," then its their problem. They may lack intelligence or education to go any farther than that. There is a line between helping someone and doing all of the work for them. That line is going to differ between individuals.

While it may seem totally unreasonable to a new member to be expected to learn how the message boards work and what kind of behavior is expected from them, they are joining a community. Expecting the community to make exceptions for every new member is unreasonable. Especially if that new member isn't willing to make any real effort to meet us half-way.
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do u think im a noob cuz i have bad grammer/ i dont always spell everything rite? the only reason i spell weird is cuz im too lazy when im on the internet. its easier to type this way, and im sure people can read it. y make it formal when u can type how i do it and it is still read- able? or does it mean im a newb?
What? I'm sorry I didn't understand what your trying to say?











But seriously, are you telling me that it takes you that much longer to type because, instead of cuz? or right instead of rite? or why instead of y?

Airsoft is a serious sport, and those who play should portray themselves seriously. One way we can do that, is to separate ourselves from the counterstrikish forums, by writing and typing in a way that is more legible.

But hey, thats just the way I see it. This isn't my forum, so I cant set policy.
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and dont assume jus becuz they' re new they suck
A common misconception. People here don't dislike noobs because the're new or because they "suck". People dislike noobs because a lot of them are arrogant-full of themselves-whiney-know it alls who care nothing for rules or experience.
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Fine I'll start typing ike this from here on out. You said that airsoft is serious and you need to portray yourself seriously, but I'm not neccesarily that serious of a person. When it comes to airsoft I am serious, but other than that I'm a pretty loose and easy going guy. But hey, that's just me. Oh well it's off topic. Can we take a poll on making a noob- question- answering- club/ thing? Hey Loki, remember Major G? He perfectly fits your description
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Read Loki's post.

Discussion about that subject over. Continue guys.
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the only reason i spell weird is cuz im too lazy when im on the internet.


And this is supposed to motivate us to answer your questions if you're too lazy to use propper spelling and grammar?

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its easier to type this way, and im sure people can read it.
Sure, its also easier to not post anything at all so you don't have to worry about offending the other members with your laziness.

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y make it formal when u can type how i do it and it is still read- able?
Because you would be following the rules. And you would be telling us that you are willing to make the effort to properly use the languagewith which you have chosen to communicate.

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or does it mean im a newb? and remember if u say im a noob u cant flame me for it.
No, your poor grammar and admitted laziness shows that you are a lazy slob who cares little for trying to speak with the respectable, responsible, mature airsofters on this forum. When you want to post messages that show your maturity and intelligence, please continue to post.
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Fine I'll start typing ike this from here on out. You said that airsoft is serious and you need to portray yourself seriously, but I'm not neccesarily that serious of a person. When it comes to airsoft I am serious, but other than that I'm a pretty loose and easy going guy. But hey, that's just me. Oh well it's off topic. Can we take a poll on making a noob- question- answering- club/ thing? Hey Loki, remember Major G? He perfectly fits your description
I don't believe it's simply a matter of being portrayed as a "serious" airsofter. It'a matter of clarity and respect. The reason that there is a "standard" English is that there is a reason for humans to communicate, right? If we can't understand you or you don't take the time to *be* understood, it's like farting and grunting at us an expecting us to understand that you're trying to find out at what velocity different brands of bb's shatter against poured concrete. If you don't take the time to try to be understood, why should we take the time to understand you? In general, we want to help you, but if you consistently disrespect us through the use of intentional, poor communication skills (when you obviously can do better!), it makes us not want to help you.

Also, I'm not going to start this pm-answering-"club" any time soon. In all reality, it's up to the members of the forum Who Have A Clue to do that on their own. You don't even have to PM someone- if you see a stupid thread, be nice, hand out a nice link with helpful information, and don't be a smart-*** about it. I think what Darkstar was getting at was the need for people to just be more understanding in general.

We don't need a "badge of office" to be nice people. It should be an every-day effort to not get pissy at some clueless person. It's not their fault that they're clueless- so don't kick them like a puppy chewing on your shoes. Bonk them on the nose, say BAD DOG, and give them something nice to chew on.
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Friggin moderators.......... something makes me think I shouldn't have said anything in the first place. This is why I hate off topic forums. God I'm leaving this forum. That's what I get for stating my opinion.
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Friggin moderators.......... something makes me think I shouldn't have said anything in the first place. This is why I hate off topic forums. God I'm leaving this forum. That's what I get for stating my opinion.
NO, that's what you get for admitting you are too lazy to take the time to properly format a sentence. Thinking is just the first step towards acting with intelligence, but action is not the same as being. If you want to be mad, be mad at yourself for openly admitting you're lazy.
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Hmmmmm..... did I say that earlier? What a coincidence..... And I even metioned FLAMING
Didn't you also mention leaving?
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Ya know Texx, I thought I actually respected you. I thought you suppossed to be one of the veterans. Don't veterans respect noobs, like you said earlier? I do admit I'm a noob, and I find it pretty ballsy that you would flame a noob on a forum that is supposed to help noobs. I'm just stating a fact.
You aren't being flamed. You misspelled a bunch of words and violated many basic rules of english, then preceded to whine about how you thought you were being flamed (which you absolutely are not).

A definition of flaming can be found here:

Informal: To make insulting criticisms or remarks, as on a computer network, to incite anger.

Nobody here has made criticisms that were designed to make you look bad, you did that yourself.

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