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Old 01-18-2007, 06:22 PM
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cut a tennis ball in half then fill the tennis ball with bbs. wrap the tennis ball wits somthing dish towel maybe. it will maybe open up in the air and rain bbs down on the enemy.
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:57 PM
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Hoooray Roman-soft.
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now will this be an Onager type Ballista?
And can I walk around with my Scutum hanging out?

Seriusly though, there is a real possibility of making a Ballista look sortof like a Howitzer.
Would be no less practical than an air powered one.
Although thats not saying much.
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Nah, an onager looks entirely different than a ballista. An onager looks very much like what most people think of when they hear 'catapult'. A ballista looks much more like an oversized crossbow, but has stubby arms powered by torsion springs (usually tightly wrapped & wound rope, but could be done with any material that provides the right tension, even garage door springs would work if you had enough linear space to work with.)
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I'm saying around 20% of the BB's launched will land in the targeted area on the ground, where they were meant to be.

I don't know about you, but I'm not buying walmart brand BB's, even if they are cheaper. I refuse to buy ****ty brands that often give airsoft a bad name.

The point I was making when I said "Who in the world would want to transport a ballista", was that it'd be difficult to lug around. You've already got all of your airsoft crap in your car, truck, whatever you may drive, I doubt you'll want to clutter anything else in there.

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cut a tennis ball in half then fill the tennis ball with bbs. wrap the tennis ball wits somthing dish towel maybe. it will maybe open up in the air and rain bbs down on the enemy.
Maybe? I don't want to use a weapon that might/might not work. If I'm going to use a weapon, I want to be able to rely on it.
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Um I wouldn't want to be around anything when it had a catastrophic failure, plain and simple. Siege engine made of wood and metal or a stud gun made from PVC.

One of the "small" ballista you speak of Theo, one big enough to throw a 1 pound projectile 300 meters, is under a hell of a lot of stress. A catastrophic failure would send things flying fast and hard enough to inflict SERIOUS damage.

Also making a ballista would be well saying it would be hard, is an understatement.

Now, I do like the idea of air strikes, just not with this.

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It's obviously too complicated and not practical enough to warrant assembling it and figuring a way to put it into play. Better off just just using a rifle with a nade launcher.
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Perhaps we could get a swallow to carry BBs and then drop them.... a one ounce bird could carry a .2 gram BB....its a matter of how he grips it...
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It's not a matter of where he grips it. It's a matter of weight ratios.
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Um I wouldn't want to be around anything when it had a catastrophic failure, plain and simple. Siege engine made of wood and metal or a stud gun made from PVC.

One of the "small" ballista you speak of Theo, one big enough to throw a 1 pound projectile 300 meters, is under a hell of a lot of stress. A catastrophic failure would send things flying fast and hard enough to inflict SERIOUS damage.

Also making a ballista would be well saying it would be hard, is an understatement.

Now, I do like the idea of air strikes, just not with this.



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Catastrophic failure simply means that the failure resulted in the destruction of the machine in question. When a siege engine like a ballista or other form of catapult has a catastrophic failure, it means the throwing arm has become disengaged for some reason (it broke, or it's mounting point broke). If the throwing arm breaks, in a non-ballista model, it simply falls where it was, and the power system 'unwinds'. Nothing flies anywhere. Even in a ballista, it's really no worse than if a crossbow prod breaks while it's drawn. In a disguised ballista, those throwing arms are going to be boxed in, meaning they don't go anywhere. If the power system or mounting point of a siege engine breaks, it's rope or a spring failing. It loses it's tension and that's pretty much the end of it.

By contrast a pneumatic cannon's catastrophic failure mode is failure of the air tank. In the best case, it's a big crack with no shrapnel, but in the worst case, it's a rapid fragmentation of the tank.

A non-catastrophic failure of a device is simply failure to work as expected. (The air cannon had a leak, so it wasn't up to sufficient pressure and only threw it's ammo a few feet, or the ballista wasn't wound tightly enough, or a support leg broke, so now the thing is lying on its side, but is otherwise functional.


As for the split tennis ball sabot idea, the maybe is because it's an idea, but hasn't been tried yet. Sort of like, "Maybe I'll like this new gun better than my current one.", or "Maybe I'll like this airsoft thing I just heard about." You don't know yet, because you haven't tried it.

If through testing and experimentation you discover that it is 'sometimes' or 'never', then you refine or ditch the idea and try something else because you want something reliable.

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instead of an catapult you could use a trebuchet whish would not fly apart in the event of a catostophic failure.
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A ballista won't either, so long as you take the same precautions you would with a treb.

A treb would be the most difficult to disguise form of catapult, at least in action. At rest it wouldn't be too hard to make it look like a howitzer or something, but in motion, it'd be darned near impossible.

On the other hand, figuring out a gravity-drive system for a tube/track launch device would be the best of both worlds.
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Jeez, how bout if you glued the BB to the tip of an arrow and then you would be shooting BBs at people...hehe hehe....
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Airsoft boomerang! You could glue Crossman .12s to it. It would come back. I tested it at a senario that was video taped last weekend.

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Well, aside from the serious potential for injury, it doesn't give the effect we're looking for. (An actual area-effect artillery attack that doesn't rely on people seeing where a football lands, and correctly judging the distance.)

If we can figure out a working delivery system, we can pretty it up afterwards to look like artillery. If you don't think it can be done, or don't think it's worth the effort, we won't try to enlist your input. But unless you think airsofters are less creative and/or capable than nerfers (who already have similar delivery systems), why poke fun?

Does the idea that someone might succeed actually threaten you or make you feel small some how?
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Here is the actual working mock up of an airsoft catapult
http://www.serve.com/chunter/index/p...3/catapult.jpg
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Well, aside from the serious potential for injury, it doesn't give the effect we're looking for. (An actual area-effect artillery attack that doesn't rely on people seeing where a football lands, and correctly judging the distance.)
I think, just maybe, that he might have been joking.
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Does the idea that someone might succeed actually threaten you or make you feel small some how?
I feel enormous. If I wanted to feel small, I'd grab your crotch...
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I feel enormous. If I wanted to feel small, I'd grab your crotch...
Now, see. That's *exactly* what I'm talking about. You're so insecure that you've got to belittle people to feel better about yourself.

If you don't want to, or are unable to contribute to a conversation, why do you feel the need to interject insults?
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....and on that note, locked.

Oh, and there was a trebuchet thread on here a while back, look for it.
 

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