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Entry fees, what are we really getting for our money?

Posted 04-06-2012 at 06:52 PM by Son of Liberty
As the years progress and I look back on the past 84 months I've played Airsoft I always recall one thing; entry fees. Yes we all know that entry fees are used to pay for things such as:
New structures
Insurance
Props

But why are these entries skyrocketing? Remember the days of a certain field being $20 flat? (I won't use names because I know egos get hurt so easily on this forum) Now you have to pay $5 if you show up a little late? That seems absolutely silly! What if you hit traffic, have something occur out of your control, yet you are punished financially because you show up late? The increases in just being able to play puts a strain on those that have financial stress; like me being a college Sophomore who can barely work enough during the semester to pay for gas and other life necessities. I'm slowly but surely being turned off from going to certain places just because of how "greedy" some people seem to be. What am I really getting out of my entry. In the long run I supply my own transportation, my own ammo, on most occasions my own food, yet I have to pay 20+ dollars to basically rent grass for the day; with nothing really to show for it. Plywood structures shouldn't dictate these increases in fees. Before we know it a standard open play style game will be upwards of $30+. It's getting ridiculous.

And before someone harps on me for it, no I'm not saying it should be free I'm just thinking out loud so I'll leave it to you, why are standard games becoming more and more expensive? Greed on the field owners part, the event operators? What?
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    aBod22's Avatar
    The $50 gas is round trip and for people who don't travel for airsoft much wouldnt know. You said holly Molly over spending $100 for day of airsoft so that number isn't that far off is it
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 09:15 AM by aBod22 aBod22 is offline
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    Texx's Avatar
    Questions:

    What exactly do you expect out of a game for what you are paying?

    When compared to other weekend endeavors - going out to dinner and a movie, weekend camping trip, working on your car, how is it any more or less expensive for a weekend of entertainment?
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 09:21 AM by Texx Texx is offline
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    Sparky's Avatar
    I take all your monies you give me for hosting an event and buy strippers and blow with it.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 09:26 AM by Sparky Sparky is offline
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    WhiteRook's Avatar
    In my 36 months of attending Airsoft events ... I have found that my fun is inversely proportional to the cost of attending the event x 100%.

    Thanks.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 10:08 AM by WhiteRook WhiteRook is offline
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    colossus's Avatar
    Wow...... People got butthurt fast! Liberty asked a simple question here, his intent was not to cause problems( hence why he didn't name names) but to get an answer to a very simple question. If anyone is incapable of remaining calm and not jumping to conclusions and not helping the progression of the question or even to help answer it. I suggest you just leave the blog because you're not helping and in fact hindering progress.

    As for the price change of some games or whether or not place A has a late fee or place B has a higher entrance fee. Regardless of what field does what, we are the consumers of that product. It's ultimately up to us if we want to spend X amount of dollars on product A or product B.

    Now would I be surprised if an EO made some type of financial gain because of his event hosting? Absolutely not, I think we could all agree that would be reasonable and for the most part we as consumers can see where our dollar has gone. Most fields and EOs put that money back into the field. Now if it came down to you paying 20 or more dollars for a game and you saw no improvement to that field, then I'd say there's a problem.

    Now onto Libertys question about price increase, that's a simple one. Cost of doing business. Franc is right with what he said about doing what you can for however long you can and then you either fail or raise the price so you can keep going. I know I'd rather pay 5 more bucks than see a Airsoft venue dissapere, wouldn't you?
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 11:05 AM by colossus colossus is offline
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    Evil Head's Avatar
    This post does not reflect the opinions of S.P.E.A.R. and it's members, so please do not assume SOL's personal opinions are everyone's opinions. I would appreciate not drawing our team into this.

    Thank you.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 11:08 AM by Evil Head Evil Head is offline
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    ilvfly's Avatar
    Yeah I played at Springfield recently. Whoever said I "broke rank" is an idiot. I don't have to get permission from my team to go to an event. I play where my friends go. That's it. I'm tired of paying out the *** for an open play. I don't have a whole lot of money and I use it wisely. 25 dollars is too much for an open play. Whoever says it isn't didn't work hard for the money to pay for it.
    This entire discussion has remnants of a certain questionable eo from Neo. We do not want our money funding your personal gain. If I'm paying for your "expertise" then I won't be back. The player should come first. Always. Players are your customers and you should keep them happy.
    Finally, get of francs nuts. He is a great guy but still only human. The allmighty strikers do not want you on their team so stop sucking up.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 11:59 AM by ilvfly ilvfly is offline
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    Locutus's Avatar
    It is real simple, if you don't think you are getting your money's worth, then don't go. You are the consumer, you can decide where and when to spend your money, but once you do it is no longer your money, and you have no right to dictate or know what the business does with it. If you don't like the price of events, go buy or rent some land, build some buildings (or not), invite your friends and knock yourself out.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 12:42 PM by Locutus Locutus is offline
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    Evil Head's Avatar
    Most of the people complaining here have yet to pay $200 for an open play.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 01:04 PM by Evil Head Evil Head is offline
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    ilvfly's Avatar
    Not all of us can bone unknowing airsoft noobs for profit
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 01:06 PM by ilvfly ilvfly is offline
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    jonahm740's Avatar
    Every field in Ohio charges what it does for a reason. I have yet to attend a field where you can't see gradual progress made in either the structures, the props or the support elements of the field. Like so many have said before, it comes down to expectations and quality of event. When I go to an open play, I generally expect to pay between 15 and 25 dollars depending on the venue. I also expect to be more laid back and relaxed with shennanigans abounding and slinging tons of plastic at my friends and AO buddies. I have yet to attend an open play that failed to meet that expectation.

    Where I think some may take issue, and I know I have as well in the past, is when you shell out high end event style money for what ammounts to an open play as Evil Head suggested. Not using names again, but I attended an event at a wicked awesome bombed out old factory in North East Ohio that cost if memory serves 60 bucks. I remember the leadup was all this crafted story with dynamic objectives and story driven and intensive scenarios blah blah blah. What we got however was team one starts in the "town". Team 2 starts in the woods. Team 1 hold the town. After lunch, Team 2 starts in the town, team 1 starts in the woods. Team 1 take the town. To me that is solidly on the EO. Personally if I advertised an event the way that was and delivered what was delivered I would be sick and players would be well within their rights to call me to the carpet for pocketing a ton of money at their expense.

    As event organizers do we make money off our efforts? Of course we do. For most of us as it has been said that money is put directly back into the community via field improvements etc. For others that is reinvesting into their team to help members keep up with the ludicrous ammount of money this game costs. At the end of the day teams, EO's, field owners etc. charge for our games what we feel is a fair trade for the services provided.

    For example, on the 22nd I am going to go give a 20 dollar bill to AWOL and the fine gentlemen of Stormblade because I love Valley Creek, I like the way things are run, and because AWOL makes me excited in my secret places (no homo ). If I didn't feel like the game would be worth my time and cash, trust me I wouldn't be going.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 01:40 PM by jonahm740 jonahm740 is offline
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    Locutus's Avatar
    Quote:
    Not all of us can bone unknowing airsoft noobs for profit
    And I don't know any of us who do.. Look, if you can host better games for cheaper, then do it, or at least enlighten us with your knowledge. Otherwise, you are just a malcontent.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 02:24 PM by Locutus Locutus is offline
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    Son of Liberty's Avatar
    Jonah I agree with your point and I agree with your's too Brian. I only go to games which I believe are worth the money. Which is a big reason why I will continue going to places like Valley Creek; every event I've attended there has always been nothing short of a good time.

    And just so all of you know, paying $20 to play and see my AO bros is enough to satisfy me.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 04:36 PM by Son of Liberty Son of Liberty is offline
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    Chief's Avatar
    SOL, you stated that you didnt intend to create a flame war but after rereading your post, the way you worded it is the cause. As I stated before, I can trully appreciate how much things cost these days. I applaud your desire to work hard and go to school and provide for yourself. But you used a few phrases that really just irked me. You said you was paying 20+ dollars to rent grass and basically all but accused the EO's of being greedy.

    I have only played at two fields outside of Op Irene. Springfield and Roseville once. I cannot comment on any other organizers at other fields and wont even comment on Roseville, What I will say is that I can guarantee that for every hour Blade spends at his event he spends at least 6 times that working on said events. I have been his friend way longer then his teammate and will back him to the very end.

    Greed, Honestly, And I dont know you but I do know that you are what 19,20,21? ish. You really have no clue about greed and how it can affect a family in dire times. Corporate Greed is killing this country and the families who work so hard to stay alive. To say someone is greedy because they make a little profit off their had work and sacrifice so you can rent grass....Well, your wrong.

    In the end it boils down to this. If you dont like the price, dont pay, dont play. Its really that simple. And just because you can complain about it in an open forum doesnt mean you should.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 05:35 PM by Chief Chief is offline
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    Son of Liberty's Avatar
    I'm 20, and I completely understand what greed is. One thing that irks me more than anything is people trying to tell what I do and don't understand; until you know how I got to where I am now.. I wouldn't even try telling me what I know and don't know. But thanks for applauding my efforts to provide for myself. I know EO's spend a lot of time/effort to provide for the community. I'm not dissing anyone's commitment or effort here. Is this a complaint, in a sense yes. Is it me whining or *****ing? Absolutely not.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 05:53 PM by Son of Liberty Son of Liberty is offline
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    ninja_fish's Avatar
    "SOL, you stated that you didnt intend to create a flame war but after rereading your post, the way you worded it is the cause. As I stated before, I can trully appreciate how much things cost these days. I applaud your desire to work hard and go to school and provide for yourself. But you used a few phrases that really just irked me. You said you was paying 20+ dollars to rent grass and basically all but accused the EO's of being greedy. "


    Well said chief. Dont think theres much more to say than that.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 07:22 PM by ninja_fish ninja_fish is offline
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    Panda's Avatar
    I'm confused, so as an Asian, I will resort to what I am stereotypically good at: Math.

    I want a monthly revenue report from EO's, along with a budget analysis on the way it was spent. If Blade makes a bunker with Stormblade cash, it better be documented. If Jonah gets a Gatorade with SOL's entry fee, I want to KNOW!!

    I think it all comes down to we want more, we pay more. Springfield Field (or whatever the official name is ) is ginormous and has stuff everywhere. That can't be cheap. Thus, when I pay 30 dollars for an event there, I know I get my money's worth. On the flip side, I pay 20 dollars for a Valley Creek game. Comparatively, VC is a smaller field and has fewer structures, so the cheaper price makes sense. REGARDLESS OF ALL OF THIS, I have a great time and get my money's worth. Do I care I spend 10 dollars more at Springfield? No, as long as the event orgnaizer can back up the 50 percent higher entry cost. Does that mean VC puts up a game that is 66.7 percent as good as Springfield? NO!!

    I love airsofting. I get a workout, meet new people, and have fun pretending to be ST6 for 8 hours.

    My 2 Pesos on the situation.
    Posted 04-11-2012 at 07:22 PM by Panda Panda is offline
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    Blade's Avatar
    If you pay $30 for an event at Springfield, someone has been under cutting me


    Posted 04-11-2012 at 07:44 PM by Blade Blade is offline
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    Kitten's Avatar
    25 is a bit steep regardless. Stop building plywood structures and organize a better game flow. I'll go elsewhere, or just save my money. I completely agree with sol here, it's getting ridiculous. He is not trolling. Simply saying what us poor students have been thinking.

    No offense intended here.
    Posted 04-12-2012 at 12:25 AM by Kitten Kitten is offline
    Updated 04-12-2012 at 12:31 AM by Kitten
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    Blade's Avatar
    But wait, if the events become more affordable, that mean more younger players will have access to them. Then, players will complain that the event should be for 18yrs + player....so wouldn't it be logical to keep the fee high so kids stay out of it???

    Beside, $25.00 for a 6-8hr event is as much as a movie with food for 2hr, 15min at the strip club, 3hrs at the club, 10min at the casino, 4 games at lazertag and an hour at the restaurant. at an hourly rate, airsoft is still very cheap.
    Posted 04-12-2012 at 07:43 AM by Blade Blade is offline
 

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